I know many non-degree system admins at the large, blue in color fortune 500 company I work for in Chandler. Most were probably hired when the economy was booming back in the 90s and skilled IT people were in short supply. If they were applying today I suspect they would have a much harder time getting in.
It really comes down the the hiring manager. I've seen managers do their initial resume screen by throwing out every resume that does not have a 4 year degree, and I've seen cases where we receive only 3 applications and everyone gets interviewed. On Jan 13, 2012, at 8:11 AM, Kevin Fries <[email protected]> wrote: > This requirement comes from the same place as most requirements of this ilk. > Plausable deny-ability. > > - We need a qualified programmer > > - HR does not know (and often neither does the hiring manager, or policy > maker) how to assess programming skills. > > By requiring a degree, you can't fire the people that implemented this > policy... after all, they hired someone qualified, right? Its not their > fault if the programmer doesn't work out. But without a degree... well then > what were you thinking. > > So... its a CYA move by incompetent people, trying to hire for a skill they > don't understand. > > The last company and current company.I work for both hired on skills and > treasure their IT staff. They both understand how hard it is to find good IT > people, and few ever leave. > > I look as the manditory IT degree as a sure sign that this is not a good > company to work for... and I am right more than I'm wrong. > > Just my $0.02 > > Kevin > > On Jan 13, 2012 7:56 AM, "keith smith" <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Hi, > > I'm wondering if anyone knows where the degree requirement came from for > developers. > > In the early 80's there were very few computer courses available. I talked > with a guy in about 1988 who told me he was a math major because that was the > closest thing to a computer science degree in the 70's and early 80's. > > I read that in the early 80's businesses were offering classes in > programming. The example I read said the course was 6 weeks long. The > graduates were give high paying jobs. > > The interesting part is I was attending college in the early 80's. At the > UofA intro to computers was a FORTRAN programming class. Then a class in > COBOL. It was mostly a business degree with an emphasis on programming. > > I'm curious if anyone knows why corporate America requires a degree to be a > programmer. The degree does not open the door. Skills do. > > Do system administrators need degrees? > > As far as I'm concerned a degree in and of it self means nothing. I've > worked with and know people who do not have a degree that can run circles > around some with degrees. > > Just curious where that requirement came from. > > ------------------------ > Keith Smith > > --------------------------------------------------- > PLUG-discuss mailing list - [email protected] > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > --------------------------------------------------- > PLUG-discuss mailing list - [email protected] > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
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