On 8/29/06, Cocoy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
On 8/29/06, Dean Michael Berris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Tell this to someone who's actually making a living deploying > solutions that are as fool-proof and fail-safe as possible. ;) Living > on the edge is alright if you have the luxury of failure -- in other > circumstances, the option of failure is just a bit too painful to > swallow (think, nuclear reactor computers). oh i completely understand. there are devices out there that just don't NEED to be up 110% of the time, but REQUIRE them to be. gentoo can be fitted to run on such mission critical scenario.
Yes, Gentoo can be fitted to run on mission critical systems -- but you can do this with every other distro.
which is why never update a production server until you've tried it out on a testing server. it just makes good sense.
Actually... You update a production server if you have a critical security patch/update. ;)
> > Check that: when you update, you (re)compile. If you're updating a > considerably large library (libstdc++, libc) or application (gcc) then > that takes time. Compilation requires a lot of resources (memory, > processor, disk) which could better be used to serve the actual > solution's purpose than "upgrading a library". how many times in a year do you actually have to have new libstdc++ ? ;) or an updated gcc..? i wouldn't move a production machine to a new version of gcc until after its been tested out in non production situations. of course compiling would take a bit out of system resources... don't we all have those problems?
These are just two things, among many other (like init, lilo/grub, httpd, openssh, openssl, and the list goes on and on) things that even if you're doing it on a testing/development server, you're going to want to of course test your solutions against. I still don't see the value or reason why you'll need to recompile all the time.
> > Whatever happened to "install base system, install required packages, > harden, then deploy" in half a day or even less? well if it had to be done... excluding of course x... which takes hours to compile you can have a box done in a hour maybe two.
One hour or two? I should try this one for myself...
> > When you say "it is our way", what exactly do you mean by that? some people expect support. some people provide them. no thing huge about it. we have different ways of doing things.
Obviously we have a different view about support. ;)
we'll never get out of an argument of which distro is best...
Which is why I have the criteria set, and looking at one specific distro like Ubuntu for the Server. :) Of course, I couldn't care less anymore about Linux on the Desktop anyway... :D
i find gentoo can be tailored to meet my demands at my own pace. some people find suse or redhat. i find gentoo is an acquired taste that you have to try it to love it.
Yes, I understand. It actually took me a while to see that Slackware wasn't the best distro for the server too. :D
anyway we'll never get over this so... to each his own. :)
Indeed. :) -- Dean Michael C. Berris C/C++ Software Architect Orange and Bronze Software Labs http://3w-agility.blogspot.com/ http://cplusplus-soup.blogspot.com/ Mobile: +639287291459 Email: dean [at] orangeandbronze [dot] com _________________________________________________ Philippine Linux Users' Group (PLUG) Mailing List [email protected] (#PLUG @ irc.free.net.ph) Read the Guidelines: http://linux.org.ph/lists Searchable Archives: http://archives.free.net.ph
