Hi Jeff! On 9/22/06, Jeffrey Ian Dy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Hi Dean,
[snipped re-quote, I get the point. ;) ]
I'm not really sure what you meant with discrimination. Ofcourse everybody "discriminates" (in the plain use of the word) -- something like "I like blue better than red". But when I state I like blue better than red, that is arbitrary. In law, the equal protection clause does not apply to this case.And as long as the principles stated in the bill adheres to constitutional provisions, the bill is not arbitrary.
Here's what I have against this taking advantage of the "non-application of the equal protection clause": it's being used as an excuse to put a bias for FOSS in legislation as a blanket policy for all government agencies. Maybe it's just my personal conviction about the idea of fairness over pushing an agenda. I would like to promote FOSS but not see it get preferrential treatment from government. I just feel like it's wrong to do something like that. But that is of course, my personal opinion.
I have read one of your comments. Correct me if i am wrong but I believe you placed a proposal that we outline procurement guidelines but not to make FOSS mandatory. Something like the Brazil model. Don't worry, I believe the bill's final version will be like that Lolz :D
Yes I did. I don't know the Brazil model but it would be nice to see it feel more "objective" and "non-biased". :-)
Seriously, if we do not mandate the use of FOSS, government employees will resist migration and IT professionals in gov't will just say, "Hey,training takes a lot of our budget so let's not try FOSS", or something like "I don't know how to implement SuSE or CentOS for my networking specs so let's just buy CISCO since I know Cisco IOS" without even realizing the TCO over a span of time. hence we believe mandatory is the right path.
I understand, however "gulpi de gulat" and "kung hindi kaya sa santong dasalan, daanin sa santong paspasan" approach like making it mandatory is actually setting up FOSS adoption to fail in my opinion. I reserve my opinions on this, because I fear it will spin off to be another thread of contention.
Now when does what I believe and what you believe matter? Obviously we are not about to change the text of the bill just because you argued against it. It's in lobbying in Congress. Not that who wins is actually right (anti-impeachment legislators won but they are not necessarily correct) but at least we get a negotiated bill.
Indeed. I think I want to talk to some representatives about this, maybe (if not in the majority, with a party that you're algned with) so that I can outline my opposition in a manner more suited to the democratic parliamentary process in Congress. ;-)
I actually read your comments and, even though I do not usually respond to you directly (If I want to, i'll just email or PM you), I take note of them so that when negotiation comes, we'll know what to expect, what points are agreeable and what are not. Plan B which is semi-Brazilian model is likely and still acceptable to us. The final outcome of the bill depends on the strength of the negotiator so I can't post details here. You can talk to us if you want to. PM me and perhaps we can meet each other.
I will definitely do that one of these days. :-) Just as soon as the job doesn't get too much in the way of politics... :-D
Now since you bought it, let me clarify this (at least now I have a leeway in my schedule). I personally took offense in calling the proponents of this bill *Nazis* and *Fascists*. At one time even called us *communists*. Are you a board member of Plug?
For the matter, I would also like to clarify if my criticism _of the bill_ and not the proponents of the bill. The thing I admit to calling the proponents are "zealotrous" -- however when referring to Nazis and Fascist, I was talking about the approach to which the proposed legislation was being put forth: through mandatory (and ironically enough) authoritarian approaches. I was making a metaphor between the way the bill proposes to do things, and how the Nazi rule was by pushing forward a particular agenda in an authoritarian manner. When I referred to "communistic" I was talking about the proposition that the bill mandate that FOSS will be the only thing to be used unless there is no available FOSS solution. I was talking about the approach, and not the proponents. I would like to apologize if I had conveyed it in a manner to lead readers to think that I called you and others who were part of drafting the bill communists, nazis, and fascists. I was referring to the approach of the legislation for making policy, specifically on making the use of FOSS mandatory. And yes, I am part of the PLUG Board. However, the opinions I post are those of my own and not representative of the PLUG Board's position. I would like to make this clear, that the statements I make are being made on my own volition and does not in any way mean to represent whatever the PLUG Board stands for.
It would do you good to be more politically correct next time. Bayan Muna's leaders fought against Marcos. Some of our seniors have loved ones which for the past 25 years and until now are missing . There are more than 700+ activists now dead since GMA assumed power simply because they have the "communist" tag with them. After you calling me communist, who knows, I might not be able to present my case in this group because I might be dead the next morning. The term discrimination is more apt to to the name tagging you made. Now you can call me communist, but fascist? I do not have to reiterate the point. That is more discriminatory than this bill.
Again, I am sorry if the impression was made that I called you anything other than "zealotrous".
However, let's get it over with (the name tagging) and proceed with the bill. you actually made some points I can use later so thank you.
You're very much welcome. As for the name tagging, I am sorry if it seemed that I was referring to you guys instead of the bill and certain provisions of the bill. -- Dean Michael C. Berris C++ Software Architect Orange and Bronze Software Labs, Ltd. Co. web: http://software.orangeandbronze.com/ email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mobile: +63 928 7291459 phone: +63 2 8943415 other: +1 408 4049532 blogs: http://mikhailberis.blogspot.com http://3w-agility.blogspot.com http://cplusplus-soup.blogspot.com _________________________________________________ Philippine Linux Users' Group (PLUG) Mailing List plug@lists.linux.org.ph (#PLUG @ irc.free.net.ph) Read the Guidelines: http://linux.org.ph/lists Searchable Archives: http://archives.free.net.ph
