On 12/12/06, Zak B. Elep <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
On 12/12/06, Dean Michael Berris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> FOSS can be considered more transparent than non-FOSS, even if the
> non-FOSS solution's code is available to the government. Being FOSS
> does not define transparency -- just like clean water is more
> transparent than murky water, there are degrees of transparency.
Err, isn't this `translucency`, not transparency?
Isn't translucency defined in terms of transparency? :D But that's
moot because we may never agree how I understand or use "transparency"
for that matter. :D
> > It's a FREEDOM and TRANSPARENCY issue.
>
> The Bill of Rights is a FREEDOM and LIBERTY issue. The anti-graft and
> corruption laws deal with TRANSPARENCY issues.
>
> Nowhere in the FOSS Bill does it actually define transparency or
> freedom. Nor does it even *attempt* to define freedom (except maybe
> the pretty much useless introduction/privilege speech which does not
> bear anything unless provisions are made to support these... unless of
> course you don't know how bills work and are written).
Well, the bill obviously needs a cluebat; have you whacked someone's
head lately?
Not *yet*... I can definitely call some people up...
>
> I am not misrepresenting anything: I am airing my concern, and my
> interpretation of the darned FOSS bill. I NEVER TRIED TO REPRESENT THE
> FOSS BILL NOR THE GPL/FSF -- I never claimed that I wrote the bill,
> nor that I am part of the GPL (isn't that a license?) or the FSF. Now
> what right do you have to accuse me of representing anything or anyone
> but myself for that matter?
Well both of you have been prone to be misunderstood by the reading
public, obviously. Just about most of PLUG flamewars that I've
watched (and sometimes participated ;) have you and Manny on the
starring roles, with supporting performances by the other prominent
PLUGgers.
Hmmm... I'll check the archives... Is that so? That's a suprise to me. :P
> If it helps you sleep better, the FOSS bill will make good business
> for Orange and Bronze Software Labs, Ltd. Co. in which I am a partner
> in, and the current firm I'm working with. It will definitely be good
> business for FOSS third party vendors like us, and the many other
> firms my friends and some members of PLUG are involved with right now.
> Yes, we all stand to benefit from FOSS in government.
Oh, there we go... Hence, shouldn't everyone here be happy that
Congress is finally taking notice?
I don't know about everyone... Maybe I should be happy. I don't know
yet, I've seen congress f*ck up so many times, I don't think I trust
it anymore ESPECIALLY when it comes to "pushing the FOSS agenda".
>
> No, I didn't ask to be personally attacked on a public mailing list by
> you nonetheless the (I presume) head of OpenMinds when I aired my
> opinion and interpretation of the FOSS bill. If there's anybody
> misrepresenting the FOSS bill or the FSF, that's YOU.
>
> No Manny, YOU asked for this.
And BOTH of you are simply asking for a LOT of attention. Good thing
there isn't such a thing as a Permaban in PLUG, or is there? :P
<R18>
"Pag binato ka ng bato... Sigawan mo ng G4G0!"
</R18>
We NEED to just DROP this. Please. DROP IT WHILE IT'S HOT, like what
Dean used to say when need to take those breaks off coding. FFS, its
Christmas, dammit!!!
So you suggest I delay my reply after Christmas? :D
Make up with each other, and make out with each other. I'm sure
people will ask for moar. FOR THE LOVE OF $DEITY, DROP THIS SH*T.
Okay, since you asked nicely, you shouldn't hear anything more from me
about this FOSS bill. Apparently Manny will never let it go when I air
my opinion, so I guess I'll just have to deal with that some other
way.
Have a great week ahead everyone!
--
Dean Michael C. Berris
http://cplusplus-soup.blogspot.com/
mikhailberis AT gmail DOT com
+63 928 7291459
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