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fooler. On Fri, Apr 11, 2014 at 6:17 AM, Rogelio Serrano <[email protected]> wrote: > > On 11 Apr 2014 05:06, "fooler mail" <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> there is no point between open and closed source when it comes to >> security because of the premise there is no bullet proof system.. >> >> what im saying below that others claimed open source is much more >> secure than closed source is a big lie.. my point neither the open > > Can the open source community harass the reporter of the bug? Can the open > source community suppress the information? > > Have you ever been threatened with a lawsuit for finding a security hole? > > It's not nice at all. Usually they tell you you can't afford to say you are > right. > > It is for that reason alone they I trust open source more. > > Is it really about which is more secure? What matters is that discovery and > corrective action is transparent and possible. > > How can you fix a security hole when you don't have the code? Even a website > has proprietary code in it and cannot be ordinarily patched by anyone > willing to fix the html or whatever scripting language is used. > >> source nor closed source is more secure.. what ever security model you >> have... still human is the weakest link in the security chain... >> >> fooler. >> >> On Thu, Apr 10, 2014 at 10:27 PM, Kelsey Hartigan Go >> <[email protected]> wrote: >> > Exactly my point. Regardless whether open source or proprietary. >> > >> > On Apr 11, 2014 10:06 AM, "fooler mail" <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> >> >> sql injection is not a bug on *any* sql server but on the application >> >> side not properly handle the parameter(s) as well as forgot to >> >> implement the principle of least privilege... adobe acrobat is another >> >> story... that's the reason why steve jobs against adobe products >> >> getting into ios because of the company closeness to malaking >> >> brother...unfortunately a year after job died... masansas joins papa >> >> rey in shouting match.. >> >> >> >> just keep in mind that there is no such thing as 100% bullet proof >> >> security system... whatever technique you implemented either security >> >> by obscurity or open security... >> >> >> >> fooler. >> >> >> >> On Thu, Apr 10, 2014 at 8:26 PM, Kelsey Hartigan Go >> >> <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> > It might be believed that big companies have security teams but there >> >> > are a >> >> > number of security holes discoveries made by third parties instead of >> >> > coming >> >> > from the companies. In some cases it also took a significantly long >> >> > time >> >> > for some to patch these holes. >> >> > Sql injection bug of sql server 2000 and Adobe acrobat pdf >> >> > vulnerability >> >> > comes to mind. >> >> > It is nice that a lot of these big companies release patches to their >> >> > products but the frequency of these happening is quite high, making >> >> > me >> >> > feel >> >> > that they don't do sufficient security QA before product is released. >> >> > >> >> > On Apr 11, 2014 7:54 AM, "fooler mail" <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> big companies have their own security team who assess and protect >> >> >> their proprietary products... from the start of code development.. >> >> >> they integrated code scanner to see any vulnerabilities in the code >> >> >> and other security tools till it reach to a complete product... >> >> >> >> >> >> their reputation is based not only on the quality of the product but >> >> >> on the security side as well... >> >> >> >> >> >> fooler. >> >> >> >> >> >> On Thu, Apr 10, 2014 at 7:16 AM, Kelsey Hartigan Go >> >> >> <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> >> > On the other hand since this is open source someone is bound to >> >> >> > find >> >> >> > the >> >> >> > hole. What about proprietary systems? >> >> >> > >> >> >> > On Apr 10, 2014 6:37 PM, "fooler mail" <[email protected]> >> >> >> > wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> pluggers, >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> another action needed from you... if those sites listed in the >> >> >> >> link >> >> >> >> below that you use their service, then you need to change your >> >> >> >> password... >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> http://mashable.com/2014/04/09/heartbleed-bug-websites-affected/?utm_cid=mash-com-fb-main-link >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> its time to realize why opensource is not secured as what others >> >> >> >> claims to be... but of course... there are still plenty of >> >> >> >> undiscovered security holes waiting to be discovered by security >> >> >> >> engineers... when this heartbeat outbreak last Monday... I spoke >> >> >> >> to >> >> >> >> my >> >> >> >> colleague yesterday as this is one of the projects of malaking >> >> >> >> brother >> >> >> >> who paid opensource developer working with a specific application >> >> >> >> to >> >> >> >> insert backdoor codes... ( I have to use other words para hindi >> >> >> >> makita >> >> >> >> ni malaking brother scanner)... to my surprise.. he mentioned to >> >> >> >> me >> >> >> >> that he worked at noviembre sierra alfa previously and he can >> >> >> >> confirmed on that but he wont go into the details... I also said >> >> >> >> to >> >> >> >> him that I saw one backdoor in Linux kernel until now it is still >> >> >> >> in >> >> >> >> there... you cant see by a normal cli command but it is there >> >> >> >> sitting >> >> >> >> innocently... >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> I made a statement in ph-cyberview a year or so ago that we are >> >> >> >> not >> >> >> >> safe anymore... much worse if you are inside china.... >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> fooler. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Wed, Apr 9, 2014 at 3:36 PM, fooler mail >> >> >> >> <[email protected]> >> >> >> >> wrote: >> >> >> >> > hi drexx, >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > google security guy is the one who found the bug and google >> >> >> >> > fixed >> >> >> >> > their sites before sending the info to the community... >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > below is the site to test the bug vulnerability.. >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > http://packetstormsecurity.com/files/author/11160/ >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > fooler. >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > On Wed, Apr 9, 2014 at 9:06 AM, Drexx Laggui [personal] >> >> >> >> > <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> 09Apr2014 (UTC +8) >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Here's a quick test on your localhost, & you don't even need >> >> >> >> >> to >> >> >> >> >> be >> >> >> >> >> root... >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> drexx@MACHINE:~$ echo -e "quit\n" | openssl s_client -connect >> >> >> >> >> google.com:443 -tlsextdebug 2>&1 | grep 'TLS server extension >> >> >> >> >> "heartbeat" (id=15), len=1' >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> TLS server extension "heartbeat" (id=15), len=1 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> drexx@MACHINE:~$ date; >> >> >> >> >> Wed Apr 9 21:02:58 PHT 2014 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> drexx@MACHINE:~$ uname -a >> >> >> >> >> Linux MACHINE 3.11.0-19-generic #33~precise1-Ubuntu SMP Wed >> >> >> >> >> Mar >> >> >> >> >> 12 >> >> >> >> >> 21:16:27 UTC 2014 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Drexx Laggui -- CISA, CISSP, CFE Associate, ISO27001 LA, >> >> >> >> >> CCSI, >> >> >> >> >> CSA >> >> >> >> >> http://www.laggui.com ( Manila & California ) >> >> >> >> >> Computer forensics; Penetration testing; QMS & ISMS >> >> >> >> >> developers; >> >> >> >> >> K-Transfer >> >> >> >> >> PGP fingerprint = 0117 15C5 F3B1 6564 59EA 6013 1308 9A66 >> >> >> >> >> 41A2 >> >> >> >> >> 3F9B >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Wed, Apr 9, 2014 at 10:42 AM, Rudel Saldivar >> >> >> >> >> <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> >> >>> And I may add this link for the exact patch version since >> >> >> >> >>> different >> >> >> >> >>> package >> >> >> >> >>> revision exist for different versions of Ubuntu - >> >> >> >> >>> http://www.ubuntu.com/usn/usn-2165-1/ >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> >> >>> Ubuntu 13.10: >> >> >> >> >>> libssl1.0.0 1.0.1e-3ubuntu1.2 >> >> >> >> >>> Ubuntu 12.10: >> >> >> >> >>> libssl1.0.0 1.0.1c-3ubuntu2.7 >> >> >> >> >>> Ubuntu 12.04 LTS: >> >> >> >> >>> libssl1.0.0 1.0.1-4ubuntu5.12 >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> >> >>> As for CentOS 6, they haven't release a patch version but the >> >> >> >> >>> latest >> >> >> >> >>> available in the update repo have the heartbeat feature >> >> >> >> >>> disable, >> >> >> >> >>> interim >> >> >> >> >>> workaround so upgrade when you can: >> >> >> >> >>> http://www.spinics.net/lists/centos-announce/msg04910.html >> >> >> >> >>> http://www.spinics.net/lists/centos-announce/msg04910.html >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> >> >>> ----- >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> >> >>> -[ OpenSource, Open Ideas ]- >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> >> >>> On Wed, Apr 9, 2014 at 8:42 AM, fooler mail >> >> >> >> >>> <[email protected]> >> >> >> >> >>> wrote: >> >> >> >> >>>> >> >> >> >> >>>> pluggers, >> >> >> >> >>>> >> >> >> >> >>>> action needed from you if you are not aware with this >> >> >> >> >>>> serious >> >> >> >> >>>> security >> >> >> >> >>>> hole... >> >> >> >> >>>> >> >> >> >> >>>> http://www.openssl.org/news/secadv_20140407.txt >> >> >> >> >>>> >> >> >> >> >>>> update/patch your openssl package... create a new private >> >> >> >> >>>> key >> >> >> >> >>>> using >> >> >> >> >>>> updated/patched openssl... create a new CSR based on that >> >> >> >> >>>> new >> >> >> >> >>>> private >> >> >> >> >>>> key and update your https site(s) with a new signed >> >> >> >> >>>> certificate >> >> >> >> >>>> (this >> >> >> >> >>>> includes self-signed certificate as well) >> >> >> >> >> _________________________________________________ >> >> >> >> >> Philippine Linux Users' Group (PLUG) Mailing List >> >> >> >> >> http://lists.linux.org.ph/mailman/listinfo/plug >> >> >> >> >> Searchable Archives: http://archives.free.net.ph >> >> >> >> _________________________________________________ >> >> >> >> Philippine Linux Users' Group (PLUG) Mailing List >> >> >> >> http://lists.linux.org.ph/mailman/listinfo/plug >> >> >> >> Searchable Archives: http://archives.free.net.ph >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > _________________________________________________ >> >> >> > Philippine Linux Users' Group (PLUG) Mailing List >> >> >> > http://lists.linux.org.ph/mailman/listinfo/plug >> >> >> > Searchable Archives: http://archives.free.net.ph >> >> >> _________________________________________________ >> >> >> Philippine Linux Users' Group (PLUG) Mailing List >> >> >> http://lists.linux.org.ph/mailman/listinfo/plug >> >> >> Searchable Archives: http://archives.free.net.ph >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > _________________________________________________ >> >> > Philippine Linux Users' Group (PLUG) Mailing List >> >> > http://lists.linux.org.ph/mailman/listinfo/plug >> >> > Searchable Archives: http://archives.free.net.ph >> >> _________________________________________________ >> >> Philippine Linux Users' Group (PLUG) Mailing List >> >> http://lists.linux.org.ph/mailman/listinfo/plug >> >> Searchable Archives: http://archives.free.net.ph >> > >> > >> > _________________________________________________ >> > Philippine Linux Users' Group (PLUG) Mailing List >> > http://lists.linux.org.ph/mailman/listinfo/plug >> > Searchable Archives: http://archives.free.net.ph >> _________________________________________________ >> Philippine Linux Users' Group (PLUG) Mailing List >> http://lists.linux.org.ph/mailman/listinfo/plug >> Searchable Archives: http://archives.free.net.ph > > > _________________________________________________ > Philippine Linux Users' Group (PLUG) Mailing List > http://lists.linux.org.ph/mailman/listinfo/plug > Searchable Archives: http://archives.free.net.ph _________________________________________________ Philippine Linux Users' Group (PLUG) Mailing List http://lists.linux.org.ph/mailman/listinfo/plug Searchable Archives: http://archives.free.net.ph
