On Tue, 2009-03-10 at 20:09 -0700, Rogan Creswick wrote: > My sincere apologies for responding to PLUG-proper, but I feel that > since Mr. Robinson has brought the discussion here, *this* list needs > at least an inkling of what has been going on on PLUG-TALK.
No apology is necessary, Rogan is a very troubled man, pray for him. > You have been asked numerous times to stop ridiculing people of > different faiths, sexual orientations, and those with eating > preferences (amongst others, I'm sure. That's all I remember > off-hand). Never have you given any indication that you will even > consider conceding to these wishes, yet you demand it of us. I don't ridicule people of different sexual orientations by being against homosexual sex. I didn't ridicule the Vegan woman, I simply said I don't understand in a light of a few facts. If everyone became a vegetarian indefinitely, billions would starve to death and there would still be mass butchering of livestock to prevent overpopulation. > You've stated that you want the right to kill the president of the > united states, and his family. I have never stated that. You are taking my words grossly out of context. I said I wish I had the right to kill him but I don't have that right. Repeat, I don't have that right. If I was intent on killing him, I wouldn't be worried about justification and I certainly wouldn't announce it on a public mailing list that the whole entire world can read. Honestly, I wish he would just quit before he can sign FOCA and before he drags the country into a second depression. > You have also caused many people to leave the mailing list, and your > 'discussions' have constituted the bulk of the traffic for the last 2+ > months. So what Rogan. Next you'll be saying that I argued against and made a victim of myself. > You have gone far, far over the line in your discussions on PLUG-TALK, > but the community as a whole has not (apparently) rallied enough to > use technological solutions to remove you from that list. I have never gone over the line on plug-talk. It is a topic free list for random chatter. People who can't handle beliefs and opinions that don't match their own are wise to leave plug-talk. Asking me to be quiet because people are leaving is rude. > I am one of the people who left that list to get away from your > bigoted discussions and dismissals, and now you are using the > *on-topic* list to try and gain leverage, and "fight back" or "go > after" someone on the talk list? Would you rather I get a lawyer and potentially take down the Portland Linux User's group? I'm not saying I could, but perhaps a lawyer should be my first recourse. Guess what, I don't agree with that logic. I have faith in people, a belief that rational individuals can come up with a reasonable solution to this problem. For starters, I want HAL or whatever the bot is called shut down. > If you want advice about libel/slander issues, go to a forum > appropriate for that -- or get a lawyer. This is *not* the place for > your complaints, particularly given your treatment of others in > PLUG-TALK. > > --Rogan Creswick I haven't treated anyone badly on plug-talk that hasn't been nasty to me. This is most certainly the place for my complaints. There shouldn't be a second list that is completely lawless and a standard that says you can't come out to the larger community and ask for help. Bigotry Rogan involves hating someone without a valid basis. I don't hate anyone. I have valid objections to certain lifestyles, but those are objections and objections are not bigotry. I'm sure everyone can think of a lifestyle that they object to, and they won't agree that they are bigots because of it. There is more to being a bigot than simply disagreeing with someone's lifestyle or politics, a lot more. If differences on politics and religion make you a bigot, then everyone is a bigot because in everyone you can find at least slight political differences. _______________________________________________ PLUG mailing list [email protected] http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
