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From: [email protected] To: [email protected] Sent: Thu, 19 Nov 2009 23:04:16 +0000 (UTC) Subject: PLUG Digest, Vol 62, Issue 63 Send PLUG mailing list submissions to [email protected] To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to [email protected] You can reach the person managing the list at [email protected] When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of PLUG digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: Do I want a quad-core Core-2 system? (Scott Garman) 2. Re: Column/Block Editing in Emacs -- RESOLVED (Russell Senior) 3. Re: Linus Torvalds for Nobel Peace Prize (Russell Senior) 4. Re: Column/Block Editing in Emacs -- RESOLVED (Rich Shepard) 5. Re: Linus Torvalds & Richard Stallman for Nobel Peace Prize (glen e. p. ropella) 6. Re: Linus Torvalds... (Michael Robinson) 7. Re: Linus Torvalds & Richard Stallman for Nobel Peace Prize (Michael Robinson) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2009 12:54:02 -0800 From: Scott Garman Subject: Re: [PLUG] Do I want a quad-core Core-2 system? To: "General Linux/UNIX discussion and help; civil and on-topic" Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed m0gely wrote: > If I build a machine for someone in your position, I always recommend > getting the current generation of processor, which here would mean an > i7/socket 1366 platform. This means you will spend more though. Having > said that, if you're computing needs are not specific, or demanding in a > particular area, any modern Core2 Duo or Quad system will last 5 years. > Just make sure that the system you buy supports the fastest FSB speeds > for the processor you buy. This way, you can buy an inexpensive dual > core today to save money, and a more powerful quad core in a couple > years for a quick and easy upgrade. In a couple years, all the quad > core's of today will be on eBay cheap. +1 to this advice. I will also say that we're finally reaching the point where solid state disk drives are dropping in price quickly and offering a substantial performance boost. I'd say make sure your system supports the fastest SATA standard available today, as soon you'll be able to make good use of that bandwidth for disk I/O (the real bottleneck of nearly every desktop/workstation). Scott -- Scott Garman sgarman at zenlinux dot com ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2009 12:57:07 -0800 From: Russell Senior Subject: Re: [PLUG] Column/Block Editing in Emacs -- RESOLVED To: "General Linux/UNIX discussion and help; civil and on-topic" Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >>>>> "Rich" == Rich Shepard writes: Rich> I need to remove double quotes from a specific column for all Rich> 3200 lines in a file. I know that I can do a regex search and Rich> replace for the beginning of each line, but the quotes I need to Rich> remove are in the interior. It seems to me that there is a way Rich> to block a vertical column and manipulate text within that Rich> marked block, but I no longer remember how to do this. Rich> [...] Rich> Well, it turns out that I cannot find a way to block a Rich> rectangle of text rather than a stream of text in Rich> emacs. However, 'joe' has the capability of turning text Rich> selection into a rectangular block. That must have been what I Rich> used in the past. Try C-h a "rectangle" That should list a bunch of commands relating to rectangles. -- Russell Senior ``I have nine fingers; you have ten.'' [email protected] ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2009 13:04:49 -0800 From: Russell Senior Subject: Re: [PLUG] Linus Torvalds for Nobel Peace Prize To: "General Linux/UNIX discussion and help; civil and on-topic" Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >>>>> "Mike" == Mike Connors writes: Mike> The NPP has been shared in the past. I think if you're Mike> considering nominating Linus, I think you could make a strong Mike> case for nominating RMS as well. Peace comes through Mike> cooperation, sharing, and community building across cultural Mike> boundaries. It is the combination of Linux and the Open Source Mike> (FSF, GPL) which has made the greatest contribution to world Mike> peace. So I find it difficult to consider nominating one without Mike> the other. While I agree about the contribution of RMS relative to Linus, there are practical considerations. I think if RMS were awarded a share of the Nobel Peace Prize, there is a significant chance that he might refuse to accept it unless it is renamed the GNU/Nobel Peace Prize. Personally, I think that'd be cool. -- Russell Senior ``I have nine fingers; you have ten.'' [email protected] ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2009 14:28:38 -0800 (PST) From: Rich Shepard Subject: Re: [PLUG] Column/Block Editing in Emacs -- RESOLVED To: "General Linux/UNIX discussion and help; civil and on-topic" Message-ID: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed On Thu, 19 Nov 2009, Russell Senior wrote: > Try C-h a "rectangle" > > That should list a bunch of commands relating to rectangles. Thank you. It also turns out that Rogan's series of key strokes works very well. What threw me is that the block highlighting is for the entire row while the commands act only on the intended columns. Rich ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2009 14:42:43 -0800 From: "glen e. p. ropella" Subject: Re: [PLUG] Linus Torvalds & Richard Stallman for Nobel Peace Prize To: "General Linux/UNIX discussion and help; civil and on-topic" Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I've (hopefully) planted the seed in a friend of mine who happens to be a professor of political science. And I'll try to do the same with a few other friends. I strongly believe that both of them should be nominated. Thanks for suggesting this, Keith. -- glen e. p. ropella, 971-222-9095, http://tempusdictum.com ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2009 15:01:01 -0800 From: Michael Robinson Subject: Re: [PLUG] Linus Torvalds... To: [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain On Thu, 2009-11-19 at 14:09 -0800, Tim wrote: > > You never had any respect for me or anyone else who believes > > in something, so what is your point? > > Believing in something != belief in an imaginary omnipotent being Only you say God is imaginary Tim, but I know better. > > Linux probably would have come into existence eventually even > > if Linus hadn't been involved. GNU and Richard Stallman > > contributed the tools after all. Granted, it wouldn't be > > called Linux in that case. > > > > What has Linux done to avert the war on terror in Iraq and > > Afghanistan? What has it done to encourage atheists to be > > more accepting of religion? What has it done to advance > > feeding the poor, clothing the naked, burying the dead, > > etcetera? What has Linux done to alleviate any of the > > ethnic conflicts in the world today? The answer is nothing. > > Peace comes from God, you can't refute that Tim. > > Gibberish. Beliefs like these corrupt. They allow others to use you > as a pawn. The fact that you can't keep them to your self when they > are completely unfounded is wher I see you've lost sight of reason. > This is where all respect is lost. Who Tim? Get a life please. Reasonably speaking, religion usually promotes peace through service to your fellow man, so it is entirely possible that God is the source of peace where his followers are to serve each other out of love for Him. Most religions attribute incredible dignity to Man and demand that we see God in each other. You don't know what you are talking about Tim. Indeed, you probably believe that all beliefs are corrupt. You offer no atheistic foundation for peace. I wouldn't expect you to, there is no such foundation. To the atheist, Man is just a machine made in nothings image with no dignity whatsoever. For an atheist, a Man can do whatever he wants with his body. He can abuse it, he can harvests parts off of other people's bodies, he can kill other people, he can do whatever he wants to do to the human body. Because of this lack of respect for the human body, atheists cannot promote peace let alone offer a non sectarian foundation for it. > You just have to understand that there are other points of view in the > world and yours in God or god or other unfounded beliefs might just be > making the world worse. The Truth never makes things worse. My beliefs are not unfounded, but you obviously can't respect people who believe something. > I know I'm not going to change mind about your beliefs, but I'm not > one to let the vocal few loonies decide things for the silent > majority. The silent majority that believes in God? > Please leave religion off the list. I do agree that talking about the > peace prize on the list is off topic, but bringing gods into it is off > topic and inflamatory. > > tim The Nobel Peace Prize should go to someone who seeks to bring God's peace into the world. I didn't bring religion onto the list, those who pushed to have Linus get a Nobel Peace Prize did. If instead the talk was about Linus getting a prize that is not the Nobel Peace Prize, things would be different. It is not fair from the religious person's point of view to have to endure an anti religious God is not the source of peace commentary and not be allowed to counter it. This is one of the reasons why the Nobel Peace Prize should never have been discussed on the main Linux list. That is not my fault by the way, it is Keith Lofstrom's fault for starting the discussion. A big hint that you are not respecting other people's points of view is when you call someone a lunatic for believing something. Another big hint is when you talk about Truth without having any basis in reality. Believing in a God that calls Man to respect himself and other people is a belief that promotes peace. Doing what God calls you to do NEVER promotes war and chaos. Indeed, God only allows chaos when it will open people's eyes and promote peace in the long run. Not allowing chaos means that the righteous would never be tested, not even if they need the test. Linus probably doesn't want the Nobel Peace Prize and he probably doesn't deserve it. Noone can make the argument that Linux coming into existence alone has advanced the cause of peace. As far as bringing people together, how has Linux convinced atheists to respect theists? How has it helped in arguments about the existence of God? How has Linux helped Man answer the age old questions, "Who am I?," "Why am I here?," "Is there a God?," "Who is God?," and, "What should my relationship with God be?." Linux hasn't been helpful with these age old questions. ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2009 15:04:10 -0800 From: Michael Robinson Subject: Re: [PLUG] Linus Torvalds & Richard Stallman for Nobel Peace Prize To: "General Linux/UNIX discussion and help; civil and on-topic" Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain On Thu, 2009-11-19 at 14:42 -0800, glen e. p. ropella wrote: > I've (hopefully) planted the seed in a friend of mine who happens to be > a professor of political science. And I'll try to do the same with a > few other friends. I strongly believe that both of them should be > nominated. > > Thanks for suggesting this, Keith. > Keith, you owe an apology to those who know that peace comes from God and that atheists cannot promote it because they lack the life ethic that theists have. You also owe everyone an apology for bringing a deeply religious issue, the nature and source of peace, onto this Linux list. You are obviously an atheist Keith trying to hijack peace to make your atheism look justifiable. It isn't. The least you could do is restrict your atheists can promote peace message to the plug-talk list. ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ PLUG mailing list [email protected] http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug End of PLUG Digest, Vol 62, Issue 63 ************************************ _______________________________________________ PLUG mailing list [email protected] http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
