Michael, I took our own private discussion on the topic off-list for a reason. Stop bringing it back.
tim On Thu, Nov 19, 2009 at 03:01:01PM -0800, Michael Robinson wrote: > On Thu, 2009-11-19 at 14:09 -0800, Tim wrote: > > > You never had any respect for me or anyone else who believes > > > in something, so what is your point? > > > > Believing in something != belief in an imaginary omnipotent being > > Only you say God is imaginary Tim, but I know better. > > > > Linux probably would have come into existence eventually even > > > if Linus hadn't been involved. GNU and Richard Stallman > > > contributed the tools after all. Granted, it wouldn't be > > > called Linux in that case. > > > > > > What has Linux done to avert the war on terror in Iraq and > > > Afghanistan? What has it done to encourage atheists to be > > > more accepting of religion? What has it done to advance > > > feeding the poor, clothing the naked, burying the dead, > > > etcetera? What has Linux done to alleviate any of the > > > ethnic conflicts in the world today? The answer is nothing. > > > > Peace comes from God, you can't refute that Tim. > > > > Gibberish. Beliefs like these corrupt. They allow others to use you > > as a pawn. The fact that you can't keep them to your self when they > > are completely unfounded is wher I see you've lost sight of reason. > > This is where all respect is lost. > > Who Tim? Get a life please. Reasonably speaking, religion usually > promotes peace through service to your fellow man, so it is entirely > possible that God is the source of peace where his followers are > to serve each other out of love for Him. Most religions attribute > incredible dignity to Man and demand that we see God in each other. > You don't know what you are talking about Tim. Indeed, you probably > believe that all beliefs are corrupt. You offer no atheistic > foundation for peace. I wouldn't expect you to, there is no > such foundation. To the atheist, Man is just a machine made in > nothings image with no dignity whatsoever. For an atheist, a Man > can do whatever he wants with his body. He can abuse it, he can > harvests parts off of other people's bodies, he can kill other people, > he can do whatever he wants to do to the human body. Because of this > lack of respect for the human body, atheists cannot promote peace let > alone offer a non sectarian foundation for it. > > > You just have to understand that there are other points of view in the > > world and yours in God or god or other unfounded beliefs might just be > > making the world worse. > > The Truth never makes things worse. My beliefs are not unfounded, but > you obviously can't respect people who believe something. > > > I know I'm not going to change mind about your beliefs, but I'm not > > one to let the vocal few loonies decide things for the silent > > majority. > > The silent majority that believes in God? > > > Please leave religion off the list. I do agree that talking about the > > peace prize on the list is off topic, but bringing gods into it is off > > topic and inflamatory. > > > > tim > > The Nobel Peace Prize should go to someone who seeks to bring God's > peace into the world. I didn't bring religion onto the list, those > who pushed to have Linus get a Nobel Peace Prize did. If instead > the talk was about Linus getting a prize that is not the Nobel > Peace Prize, things would be different. It is not fair from the > religious person's point of view to have to endure an anti religious > God is not the source of peace commentary and not be allowed to counter > it. This is one of the reasons why the Nobel Peace Prize should never > have been discussed on the main Linux list. That is not my fault by > the way, it is Keith Lofstrom's fault for starting the discussion. > > A big hint that you are not respecting other people's points of view is > when you call someone a lunatic for believing something. Another big > hint is when you talk about Truth without having any basis in reality. > Believing in a God that calls Man to respect himself and other people > is a belief that promotes peace. Doing what God calls you to do NEVER > promotes war and chaos. Indeed, God only allows chaos when it will > open people's eyes and promote peace in the long run. Not allowing > chaos means that the righteous would never be tested, not even if they > need the test. > > Linus probably doesn't want the Nobel Peace Prize and he probably > doesn't deserve it. Noone can make the argument that Linux > coming into existence alone has advanced the cause of peace. > As far as bringing people together, how has Linux convinced > atheists to respect theists? How has it helped in arguments > about the existence of God? How has Linux helped Man answer the > age old questions, "Who am I?," "Why am I here?," "Is there a God?," > "Who is God?," and, "What should my relationship with God be?." > Linux hasn't been helpful with these age old questions. > > _______________________________________________ > PLUG mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug _______________________________________________ PLUG mailing list [email protected] http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
