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Thinkpad hangs at BIOS (Russell Johnson) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2012 21:57:04 -0800 > From: John Sechrest <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [PLUG] HELP! Thinkpad hangs at BIOS > To: "General Linux/UNIX discussion and help, civil and on-topic" > <[email protected]> > Message-ID: > <CAAJscQPbP4NHBhgsh1LqbLPxeXPWUn-sCEA0zFS7YDKYi+jT=a...@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > I have this problem on y Lenovo T61. > > It seems to be heat related. > > If I let it set. take the plug out and let it cool off, then I can boot > it. > Leaving the plug in, seems to delay this considerably. > > I take the battery out. I unplug it. I leave it for a bit until it is > cooled and then it boots again. > > Seems strange, but It seems to make a difference. > > > > On Wed, Feb 15, 2012 at 9:48 PM, John Jason Jordan > <[email protected]>wrote: > >> OK, now I,ve done it. My Thinkpad T61 with Fedora 16, x86_64 hangs at >> the >> Thinkpad splash screen. It says "To interrupt normal startup, press the >> blue ThinkVantage button." From past experience, pressing this button >> takes >> me to the BIOS configuration page, but now it does nothing. It just >> hangs, >> no flashing lights, nada. >> >> This occurred while rebooting the umpteenth time today. The reason for >> the >> reboots is that I have been trying to get Virtualbox running again. For >> my >> most recent exercise I uninstalled 3.2 and installed 4.1 with Yumex. >> These >> are the Oracle versions, not the OSE versions. Virtualbox launches fine, >> but when I try to start either of the Windows virtual machines the >> computer >> locks up. /var/log/messages is silent. >> >> I know nothing of BIOS problems. At the moment my main computer is dead >> and I need it back ASAP. >> _______________________________________________ >> PLUG mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug >> >> > > > -- > John Sechrest > @sechrest > http://www.oomaat.com > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2012 21:57:09 -0800 > From: John Jason Jordan <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [PLUG] HELP! Thinkpad hangs at BIOS > To: [email protected] > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII > > On Wed, 15 Feb 2012 21:48:08 -0800 > John Jason Jordan <[email protected]> dijo: > >>OK, now I,ve done it. My Thinkpad T61 with Fedora 16, x86_64 hangs at >>the Thinkpad splash screen. It says "To interrupt normal startup, >>press the blue ThinkVantage button." From past experience, pressing >>this button takes me to the BIOS configuration page, but now it does >>nothing. It just hangs, no flashing lights, nada. >> >>This occurred while rebooting the umpteenth time today. The reason for >>the reboots is that I have been trying to get Virtualbox running >>again. For my most recent exercise I uninstalled 3.2 and installed 4.1 >>with Yumex. These are the Oracle versions, not the OSE versions. >>Virtualbox launches fine, but when I try to start either of the >>Windows virtual machines the computer locks up. /var/log/messages is >>silent. >> >>I know nothing of BIOS problems. At the moment my main computer is >>dead and I need it back ASAP. > > Well, I no sooner than hit the Send button after typing that on my > desktop computer, and suddenly the Thinkpad started booting. Fedora > came up normally, and here I am. > > Obviously, the first thing I will do is a thorough backup, although I > have copies of everything important elsewhere. Corralling them all for > a reinstall would be a pain, where a complete backup would make things > simpler, as well as more secure. > > But in the meantime I don't dare shut the computer down. Is something > wrong with my BIOS? How to test? Is it related to the Virtualbox > issues? How could a hang of the computer cause the BIOS not to be able > to find Grub, or whatever it finds to boot Linux? > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2012 22:54:03 -0800 > From: John Jason Jordan <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [PLUG] Virtualbox locks up computer > To: [email protected] > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII > > On Wed, 15 Feb 2012 21:53:34 -0800 > Bill Barry <[email protected]> dijo: > >>On Wed, Feb 15, 2012 at 9:50 PM, John Jason Jordan >><[email protected]>wrote: >> >>> On Wed, 15 Feb 2012 21:40:40 -0800 >>> Bill Barry <[email protected]> dijo: >>> >>> >> >>> >You could try booting Windows 2000 into safe mode. That could give >>> >you some idea of what is going wrong. >>> > >>> >http://support.microsoft.com/kb/202485 >>> >>> Virtualbox doesn't offer any such options. There is just a Start >>> button. Or at least, I couldn't find any way to launch Windows in >>> safe mode. >>> >>> >>It's not a Virtualbox feature it's a Windows 2000 feature. You launch >>normally with Virtualbox Start button and then follow the >>instructions in the link above. > > Oh, I see. Unfortunately, Windows won't even start to the point where I > can use the startup options. Just clicking the Start button in > Virtualbox instantly locks up the computer. And the lockup occurs > whether I try to start my Windows 2000 or my Windows XP virtual > machine. > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2012 23:46:28 -0800 > From: John Jason Jordan <[email protected]> > Subject: [PLUG] Clinic! > To: PLUG <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII > > Yes, it's this Sunday, February 19, 2012! > > When: 1:00 to 5:00 pm > Where: Free Geek, 1741 SE 10th Avenue, 97214 > > Come let us help you fix your ailing Linux computer (maybe even my own), > install Linux on your computer running another nasty operating system, > or just come look over people's shoulders to see what Linux is all > about. Beginner or guru, everyone is welcome. > > There will be coffee and probably various kinds of munchies. We also > have monitors, keyboards, mice, and miscellaneous other devices, so all > you generally need to bring is the box. > > Come on down and join in the fun! > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2012 00:14:03 -0800 > From: "chris (fool) mccraw" <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [PLUG] what does &(...) do? > To: "General Linux/UNIX discussion and help, civil and on-topic" > <[email protected]>, Michael Rasmussen <[email protected]> > Message-ID: > <CACKgb8RKufQAu-2bPeQDnAc8=1cl5+pko6uyf2m917n81n5...@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > On Wed, Feb 15, 2012 at 20:08, Michael Rasmussen <[email protected]> > wrote: >> ash continues to amaze me. ?I saw &( ... ) in use once and had to >> call my unix geek friends to find out how that could possibly work. >> ? ?~ Ward Cunningham >> >> Never mind how it works, what does it do? >> >> Can't Google for punctuation, not in the Bash references I searched, the >> thread about web searching for punctuation >> isn't findable via search engine. >> >> So it's up to Plug and its repository of knowledge. > > geez, i really wanted to be the one to answer this. I've never used > the ampersand that way, and i though maybe (due to your quote) that it > was ash-specific, but no dice (thought the ash man page may be my new > sweetheart, it's less than 1/3 the length of bash(1) and is extremely > concise everywhere & is mentioned at least =)) > > but the best answer i found was from wikipedia, which merely expounded > upon the possibilities while maddeningly not expanding: > > " In Bash, the ampersand can separate words, control the command > history, duplicate file descriptors, perform logical operations, > control jobs, and participate in Regular expressions. " > > (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ampersand) > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2012 05:38:40 -0800 > From: Michael Rasmussen <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [PLUG] what does &(...) do? > To: "General Linux/UNIX discussion and help; civil and on-topic" > <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > > On Thu, Feb 16, 2012 at 12:14:03AM -0800, chris (fool) mccraw wrote: >> On Wed, Feb 15, 2012 at 20:08, Michael Rasmussen <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> > ash continues to amaze me. ?I saw &( ... ) in use once and had to >> > call my unix geek friends to find out how that could possibly work. >> > ? ?~ Ward Cunningham >> > >> > Never mind how it works, what does it do? >> > >> > Can't Google for punctuation, not in the Bash references I searched, >> the thread about web searching for punctuation >> > isn't findable via search engine. >> > >> > So it's up to Plug and its repository of knowledge. >> >> geez, i really wanted to be the one to answer this. I've never used >> the ampersand that way, and i though maybe (due to your quote) that it >> was ash-specific, but no dice (thought the ash man page may be my new >> sweetheart, it's less than 1/3 the length of bash(1) and is extremely >> concise everywhere & is mentioned at least =)) >> >> but the best answer i found was from wikipedia, which merely expounded >> upon the possibilities while maddeningly not expanding: >> >> " In Bash, the ampersand can separate words, control the command >> history, duplicate file descriptors, perform logical operations, >> control jobs, and participate in Regular expressions. " >> >> (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ampersand) > > Sorry to frustrate you with my sloppy cut and paste and brain addled > proofreading. > That should read: > > Bash continues to amaze me. > > I know what & does in the general sense, and I suspect that &(...) forks > off > some processes from within a script. > > But > > I don't _know_ what that does. Lack of punctuation based searching in > impeding my efforts to look it up. > Having had to work last night (jobs are useful but sometimes ...) > prevented me from experimenting. > > So I asked. > > -- > Michael Rasmussen, Portland Oregon > Other Adventures: http://www.jamhome.us/ or http://westy.saunter.us/ > Fortune Cookie Fortune du jour: > I believe if more college student used this [study tips] site, > their would defiantly be more success in community colleges. > ~ http://shitmystudentswrite.tumblr.com/page/10 (at least now) > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2012 08:59:08 -0800 > From: Russell Johnson <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [PLUG] HELP! Thinkpad hangs at BIOS > To: "General Linux/UNIX discussion and help; civil and on-topic" > <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > > On Feb 15, 2012, at 9:57 PM, John Jason Jordan wrote: > >> Well, I no sooner than hit the Send button after typing that on my >> desktop computer, and suddenly the Thinkpad started booting. Fedora >> came up normally, and here I am. > > As to what the root problem is, I like your heat theory. If it were me, I > would clean out any ports, and possibly disassemble enough of the system > to get at any fans to blow those out. > > Russell Johnson > [email protected] > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > PLUG mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > > > End of PLUG Digest, Vol 89, Issue 27 > ************************************ >
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