On Sun, Nov 16, 2014 at 10:34 AM, John Jason Jordan <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Sun, 16 Nov 2014 09:29:11 -0800
> Denis Heidtmann <[email protected]> dijo:
>
>>How  much power do you need for all the electronics you want to run
>>during a power outage?  I suspect this is  much lower than the 7KW
>>produced by the GX 390.  Does or will DMC convert a much smaller
>>inverter generator to gas?  Have you looked into conversion kits? (I
>>too would be interested in a natural gas fueled generator.)
>
> CMD will convert a lot of generators to natural gas for you. You send
> them just the carburetor and they return it as a tri-fuel carburetor.
> This voids the warranty (except for Yamaha engines), but if you already
> have an older generator that is out of warranty anyway, then it might
> make sense. CMD is not the only one out there that will provide this
> service, plus you can buy kits online and just do the conversion
> yourself.
>
> As for the amount of power you need, bear in mind that electric motors
> (think refrigerator and freezer) take two or three times as much power
> when starting up. Consider also that, with the exception of inverter
> type generators, the Hz is controlled by the engine speed, so if the
> engine lugs down because the generator is near the top of its rated
> capacity your power will not be as clean. And there is also the matter
> of convenience. A 2,000 watt generator is enough to run a refrigerator
> or freezer, but not a lot of other things that you want to keep running
> at the same time. I don't want to have shut down all my computers and
> peripherals in order to run the refrigerator a couple times a day.
>
> [Pro natural gas rant]
> As for natural gas, it's the only fuel option that makes sense if you
> have natural gas in your house. Schlepping around gallons of gasoline
> and/or storing it is a PITA and dangerous as well. If someone from the
> fire department sees that you have 20+ gallons of gas stored in your
> garage you're probably going to get a reaction. And even if you are
> willing to put up with storage issues, bear in mind that you have to
> recycle it continually through your car lest it turn into explosive
> sludge. And it will gum up your carburetor unless you run the engine
> dry after using it.
>
> In 1998 I took out a building permit to demolish the garage that was
> falling down and build a new one adjacent to the house. At that time I
> also took out an electrical permit to add a new service entrance and to
> rewire the house, and a mechanical permit to move the gas meter and
> switch the water heater and range to gas, and to add an outdoor gas
> connection to the patio behind the house. While chatting with the
> inspector about the gas connections he mentioned that I would not have
> needed a permit if no more than ten feet of new gas line had been
> added. I don't know if that is still true, but I must say that working
> with natural gas lines is very easy. The only thing you need is a
> pressure tester, which are inexpensive and available at the box stores.
> [End rant]

I assumed you already had a generator which could produce power OK for
the refrigerator and furnace.  Then you could add a small
inverter-style to power your e-toys.  But  that brings to mind--can
you take dirty power from a generator,  power an inverter, and get
clean power?

But I am choosing inconvenience over $ for my solution.  The idea of
natural gas is appealing, but getting it to an outside
weather-protected site would not be easy.  How long can you run a
generator on propane?

-Denis
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