Russell, your oldie goldie printer does not have the spyware modern HPs have intended to lock you in to HP branded ink. I'd keep it.
73s & best regards de K7AAY [email protected] 503-BARTLEY 503.343.9399 On Oct 28, 2016 06:03, <[email protected]> wrote: Send PLUG mailing list submissions to [email protected] To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to [email protected] You can reach the person managing the list at [email protected] When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of PLUG digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: Where to ask strange Linux questions? (wes) 2. my printer is out of ink, recommendations for a new printer? (Russell Senior) 3. Re: my printer is out of ink, recommendations for a new printer? (Fred James) 4. Re: my printer is out of ink, recommendations for a new printer? (Jim Karlock) 5. Re: Where to ask strange Linux questions? (Richard Owlett) 6. Re: my printer is out of ink, recommendations for a new printer? (wes) 7. Re: my printer is out of ink, recommendations for a new printer? (wes) 8. Re: Where to ask strange Linux questions? (wes) 9. Re: my printer is out of ink, recommendations for a new printer? (Rich Shepard) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2016 15:26:09 -0700 From: wes <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [PLUG] Where to ask strange Linux questions? To: "Portland Linux/Unix Group" <[email protected]> Message-ID: <CAA1wLOni_nK=jigq9u-5g8+1k2pyayiy0qax4bhs15qccuc...@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 superuser.com and serverfault.com have a culture similar to what you describe. you'll still get all the "don't do that" type answers, but you'll also get the "if you really really have to do this, here's how" type as well. the nice thing about it is that it promotes competition between people to give the best possible answer. of course, the flip side of that coin is that asks the person with the question to put a fair amount of effort into asking good questions. I don't see you having a problem with that..... -wes On Thu, Oct 27, 2016 at 7:44 AM, Richard Owlett <[email protected]> wrote: > I ask some carefully phrased questions that get various useless > answers. > > Some recent answers have been: > 1. That is an "XY Problem" > 2. Don't do that. > 3. I know how but won't tell you as someone else may read answer > and carelessly > apply it, resulting in a bollixed system. > I get a chuckle about that one as I was asking how to run > Gnome2 with root > privileges. Jessie MATE allows me to simply login as root. > 4. You are making life difficult for yourself. > *NO*, the system designers have made decisions suitable for > the mythical > "typical"(sic) user. I don't have unlimited infinitely fast > internet nor even > bleeding edge hardware. My vision isn't what is was >50 years > ago. > > Is there a mailing list or USENET forum with a culture that > assumes that: > 1. one actually meant to ask the question as stated. > 2. one is responsible enough to accept that unthinking use of > answers can have > "un-nice" effects ;/ > > I've pretty much settled on Debian, but like some features of > Slackware and Linux from Scratch. > > Thank you. > > _______________________________________________ > PLUG mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2016 22:48:20 -0700 From: Russell Senior <[email protected]> Subject: [PLUG] my printer is out of ink, recommendations for a new printer? To: [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii The subject line is partly a joke. I have an HP Deskjet 932c, probably 10 years old or something vaguely like that. The ink cartridges are about shot (currently blue instead of black, morphing into a red). A replacement set of ink (HP 78/45) is about $80, which is close to a new printer. The printer is attached to an Ubuntu box, printing occurs through CUPS. Advice? -- Russell Senior ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2016 02:31:49 -0400 From: Fred James <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [PLUG] my printer is out of ink, recommendations for a new printer? To: Portland Linux/Unix Group <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Russell Senior wrote: > The subject line is partly a joke. I have an HP Deskjet 932c, probably > 10 years old or something vaguely like that. The ink cartridges are > about shot (currently blue instead of black, morphing into a red). A > replacement set of ink (HP 78/45) is about $80, which is close to a new > printer. The printer is attached to an Ubuntu box, printing occurs > through CUPS. > > Advice? Advice? ... no, maybe not ... my hp officejet 7310 broke beyond repair (>5 years old) ... bought (on sale) an hp officejet pro 8710 for $109 CAD, but the ink (4 separate cartridges) is priced at $30 CAD/cartridge (total $120 CAD) ... sigh ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2016 23:41:21 -0700 From: Jim Karlock <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [PLUG] my printer is out of ink, recommendations for a new printer? To: Portland Linux/Unix Group <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed The first step in buying ANY printer is to look at ink costs. That probably means looking at third party cartridges, refilling and if there is chip to prevent refills like HP has. thanks JK At 11:31 PM 10/27/2016, you wrote: >Russell Senior wrote: > > The subject line is partly a joke. I have an HP Deskjet 932c, probably > > 10 years old or something vaguely like that. The ink cartridges are > > about shot (currently blue instead of black, morphing into a red). A > > replacement set of ink (HP 78/45) is about $80, which is close to a new > > printer. The printer is attached to an Ubuntu box, printing occurs > > through CUPS. > > > > Advice? >Advice? ... no, maybe not ... my hp officejet 7310 broke beyond repair >(>5 years old) ... bought (on sale) an hp officejet pro 8710 for $109 >CAD, but the ink (4 separate cartridges) is priced at $30 CAD/cartridge >(total $120 CAD) ... sigh > >_______________________________________________ >PLUG mailing list >[email protected] >http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2016 03:09:09 -0500 From: Richard Owlett <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [PLUG] Where to ask strange Linux questions? To: [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed On 10/27/2016 5:26 PM, wes wrote: > superuser.com and serverfault.com have a culture similar to what you > describe. Don't know whether to laugh or cry, but no to both ;< But it does illustrate a recurrent problem, usually classed as having posed an "XY Problem". May I quote my original post ;/ "Is there a mailing list or USENET forum with a culture that ..." ^^^^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^^^ Avoidance of web based fora was the primary reason for my carefully chosen phrasing. Also I suspect the "voting for 'best' answer" aspect might be counter-productive. Some of the most useful responses I've received have been from responses to side issues raised by others that had a life of their own. Does that make sense? ??? > you'll still get all the "don't do that" type answers, but you'll > also get the "if you really really have to do this, here's how" type as > well. the nice thing about it is that it promotes competition between > people to give the best possible answer. > > of course, the flip side of that coin is that asks the person with the > question to put a fair amount of effort into asking good questions. I don't > see you having a problem with that..... > > -wes > > On Thu, Oct 27, 2016 at 7:44 AM, Richard Owlett <[email protected]> wrote: > >> I ask some carefully phrased questions that get various useless >> answers. >> >> Some recent answers have been: >> 1. That is an "XY Problem" >> 2. Don't do that. >> 3. I know how but won't tell you as someone else may read answer >> and carelessly >> apply it, resulting in a bollixed system. >> I get a chuckle about that one as I was asking how to run >> Gnome2 with root >> privileges. Jessie MATE allows me to simply login as root. >> 4. You are making life difficult for yourself. >> *NO*, the system designers have made decisions suitable for >> the mythical >> "typical"(sic) user. I don't have unlimited infinitely fast >> internet nor even >> bleeding edge hardware. My vision isn't what is was >50 years >> ago. >> >> Is there a mailing list or USENET forum with a culture that >> assumes that: >> 1. one actually meant to ask the question as stated. >> 2. one is responsible enough to accept that unthinking use of >> answers can have >> "un-nice" effects ;/ >> >> I've pretty much settled on Debian, but like some features of >> Slackware and Linux from Scratch. >> >> Thank you. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> PLUG mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug >> > _______________________________________________ > PLUG mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2016 02:20:22 -0700 From: wes <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [PLUG] my printer is out of ink, recommendations for a new printer? To: "Portland Linux/Unix Group" <[email protected]> Cc: [email protected] Message-ID: <CAA1wLOk_nMe2Sp6qSZ6ofNO4tnW7=3indiltg3l85i-hv_p...@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 beware that "new printer" price - nowadays they come with "demonstration" ink cartridges which are a fraction of a full cartridge. so you'd be buying new cartridges soon anyway. if I were you, I would take this opportunity to switch to a laser printer. higher up-front cost, lower long term cost. -wes On Thu, Oct 27, 2016 at 10:48 PM, Russell Senior <[email protected]> wrote: > > The subject line is partly a joke. I have an HP Deskjet 932c, probably > 10 years old or something vaguely like that. The ink cartridges are > about shot (currently blue instead of black, morphing into a red). A > replacement set of ink (HP 78/45) is about $80, which is close to a new > printer. The printer is attached to an Ubuntu box, printing occurs > through CUPS. > > Advice? > > > -- > Russell Senior > > _______________________________________________ > PLUG mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2016 02:20:22 -0700 From: wes <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [PLUG] my printer is out of ink, recommendations for a new printer? To: "Portland Linux/Unix Group" <[email protected]> Cc: [email protected] Message-ID: <CAA1wLOk_nMe2Sp6qSZ6ofNO4tnW7=3indiltg3l85i-hv_p...@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 beware that "new printer" price - nowadays they come with "demonstration" ink cartridges which are a fraction of a full cartridge. so you'd be buying new cartridges soon anyway. if I were you, I would take this opportunity to switch to a laser printer. higher up-front cost, lower long term cost. -wes On Thu, Oct 27, 2016 at 10:48 PM, Russell Senior <[email protected]> wrote: > > The subject line is partly a joke. I have an HP Deskjet 932c, probably > 10 years old or something vaguely like that. The ink cartridges are > about shot (currently blue instead of black, morphing into a red). A > replacement set of ink (HP 78/45) is about $80, which is close to a new > printer. The printer is attached to an Ubuntu box, printing occurs > through CUPS. > > Advice? > > > -- > Russell Senior > > _______________________________________________ > PLUG mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2016 02:24:42 -0700 From: wes <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [PLUG] Where to ask strange Linux questions? To: "Portland Linux/Unix Group" <[email protected]> Message-ID: <CAA1wLOnuyLYBK9nDzfH=uwfmsxmubijcpgt0ytncqxvbfjn...@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 On Fri, Oct 28, 2016 at 1:09 AM, Richard Owlett <[email protected]> wrote: > On 10/27/2016 5:26 PM, wes wrote: > > superuser.com and serverfault.com have a culture similar to what you > > describe. > > Don't know whether to laugh or cry, but no to both ;< > But it does illustrate a recurrent problem, usually classed as > having posed > an "XY Problem". > > May I quote my original post ;/ > "Is there a mailing list or USENET forum with a culture that ..." > ^^^^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^^^ > > Avoidance of web based fora was the primary reason for my > carefully chosen > phrasing. Also I suspect the "voting for 'best' answer" aspect > might be > counter-productive. Some of the most useful responses I've > received have been from responses to side issues raised by others > that had a life of their own. Does that make sense? ??? if you limit your sources of information, you limit the information available to you. your reasoning for avoiding these resources is not logical, though that is certainly your right. I hope you find what you're looking for. -wes ------------------------------ Message: 9 Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2016 06:01:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Rich Shepard <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [PLUG] my printer is out of ink, recommendations for a new printer? To: Portland Linux/Unix Group <[email protected]> Message-ID: <alpine.LNX.2.11.1610280558190.28988@localhost> Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed On Fri, 28 Oct 2016, wes wrote: > beware that "new printer" price - nowadays they come with "demonstration" > ink cartridges which are a fraction of a full cartridge. so you'd be > buying new cartridges soon anyway. Several years ago I gave away my Deskjet 2500C because of cartridge/print head costs and because I did not use it that often. Replaced it with a color laser printer. The new one does not print 11x17 pages, but I no longer need that size anyway. > if I were you, I would take this opportunity to switch to a laser printer. > higher up-front cost, lower long term cost. I've a Brother HL-2070 laser printer I'm trying to sell. Negotiations off the mail list would be appropriate. Rich ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ PLUG: http://pdxlinux.org PLUG mailing list [email protected] http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug End of PLUG Digest, Vol 145, Issue 26 ************************************* _______________________________________________ PLUG mailing list [email protected] http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
