Tmux or screen are good for CLI, but not useful for getting persistent desktop and multi-window gui applications - am I wrong about that?
Same is true for waypipe + ssh - once you terminate the connection all your running applications are gone. Am I using waypipe incorrectly? To be honest - I have no idea how would I go about starting per user/seat wayland DE session through ssh with or without waypipe. I have been googling this for a while - not successfully so far. Thanks, Tomas On Wed, Jul 31, 2024, 02:03 Nat Taylor <[email protected]> wrote: > It looks like NXServer has made some progress in this realm but I'm not > sure if they support headless servers yet. Here's some info on the topic: > https://kb.nomachine.com/AR04R01083 > I've found nxserver to be quite responsive in the past. I notice that this > solution uses Pipewire. > There's also waypipe for the equivalent of ssh -X in wayland. I used to > use Kicker in an X11 forwarding environment to get my desktop apps easily > accessible. Could you use tmux or byobu to get the persistence you are > looking for over a waypipe session? > > On Tue, Jul 30, 2024 at 12:14 PM Johnathan Mantey <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > Re a): I boot my system, the tigervnc session starts an @:1 with my user > > permissions. I launch tigerVNC client with "hname:1" and I get a VNC > > session. I lock my screen, terminate vnc client, come back later, launch > > vnc client, and I get a VNC session login. > > Re: b): I'm the admin, I assigned me a :1, and I'm able to do work. I > > didn't need to dig further into more fluid methods, which I expect exist. > > Re: c): FC 40 is targeting Wayland. I'm just telling my system VNC is to > > use X11. I use Plasma/KDE as my desktop. When I login via VNC I see a > > Plasma/KDE desktop. So far the only issue I've faced is that Emacs 29 > > compiled against Wayland gripes via VNC about possibly crashing. I > > installed Emacs 29 GTK and use that instead. Emacs, a web browser, > Konsole > > and I'm 98% covered in what I need to do. > > Re: d): I have work to do in order to collect a paycheck. I can wait for > > the utilities to catch up to the display technology. I need an income > more > > than I need to fight with the tech. The VNC I have beats the crummy KVM > > attached to my system, by a huge margin. I get a quality display, and > > alt-tab keeps me inside my Linux desktop instead of swapping to Winders. > > > > > > On Tue, Jul 30, 2024 at 11:24 AM Tomas Kuchta < > > [email protected]> > > wrote: > > > > > I have not attempted that path - my understanding was: > > > a) that this would not provide for persistent sessions > > > b) admin would have to pre-assign user sessions per host per user. > Unlike > > > self-service vncserver on X. > > > c) woud not really work in modern DEs targeting Wayland > > > d) it seems like kicking the can down the road - X is dead, best to get > > on > > > with it > > > > > > Would you be able to comment based on your experience, especially about > > the > > > persistence, self-service and what DEs work for you out of the box? > > > > > > Thank you, Tomas > > > > > > On Tue, Jul 30, 2024, 13:36 Johnathan Mantey <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > > > > I use VNC on my FC 40 system daily. > > > > Tiger VNC does not support remote Wayland sessions. > > > > It is necessary to use X11 as the transport. > > > > > > > > I followed the instructions in the vncserver.service file: > > > > # The vncserver service unit file > > > > # > > > > # Quick HowTo: > > > > # 1. Add a user mapping to /etc/tigervnc/vncserver.users. > > > > # 2. Adjust the global or user configuration. See the > > > > # vncsession(8) manpage for details. (OPTIONAL) > > > > # 3. Run `systemctl enable vncserver@:<display>.service` > > > > # 4. Run `systemctl start vncserver@:<display>.service` > > > > > > > > I'm trying to remember if I had to manually install some form of X11 > > > > packages: > > > > xorg-x11-server-common-1.20.14-35.fc40.x86_64 > > > > xorg-x11-server-Xorg-1.20.14-35.fc40.x86_64 > > > > xorg-x11-drv-libinput-1.4.0-2.fc40.x86_64 > > > > qt5-qtx11extras-5.15.14-1.fc40.x86_64 > > > > xorg-x11-server-Xwayland-24.1.1-1.fc40.x86_64 > > > > > > > > I believe I tracked all of this down in the greater interwebs. Sadly > I > > > > didn't keep a record of where. > > > > > > > > On Mon, Jul 29, 2024 at 9:37 PM Ben Koenig < > [email protected]> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > The Arch wiki has a few links to follow. Adjust as needed for your > > > > > preferred setup. > > > > > > > > > > Looks like VNC backends for wayland compositors are generally a > > > > > compile-time option, so if you run through the steps and nothing > > > happens, > > > > > it could be that support was not compiled in. > > > > > > > > > > https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Wayland#Remote_display > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As an amusing sidenote, not long ago I was embroiled in a wayland > vs > > X > > > > > flamewar where some fanboys went out of their way to claim that > > wayland > > > > is > > > > > ready and has all the same features X does. So an instance of a > > > > real-world > > > > > user attempting to perform an end-usery task on wayland and then > > > reaching > > > > > the conclusion that it is impossible makes me chuckle. > > > > > > > > > > Regardless of such nonsense the Arch wiki has information that > > suggests > > > > > that VNC can work with wayland. Their documentation is usually > pretty > > > > solid > > > > > and sticks with matter-of-fact descriptions of what does/doesn't > > work. > > > > > -Ben > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Monday, July 29th, 2024 at 7:53 PM, Tomas Kuchta < > > > > > [email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Anyone has a success story about deploying persistent multiuser > VNC > > > or > > > > > RDP > > > > > > setup on headless server running Wayland? > > > > > > > > > > > > I used to use classic VNC and RDP (tigerVNC and Xrdpd > respectively) > > > to > > > > > run > > > > > > persistent desktop multi user, multi DE sessions. I need it for > > both > > > > home > > > > > > lab and work. > > > > > > > > > > > > This seems to be currently impossible to do with Wayland. When > > > reaching > > > > > out > > > > > > to RH/Fedora/SuSE folks - I only hear childish, immature > responses > > > > > > suggesting that only newbies, windows people or idiots would need > > > full > > > > > > desktop session and even worse - persistent one. > > > > > > > > > > > > At work, we use it for accessing long running interactive CAD > > > sessions > > > > > and > > > > > > general workspaces on headless servers located in some caraway > > colo - > > > > > from > > > > > > laptops. We are connecting and disconnecting multiple times a day > > as > > > we > > > > > > roam between office cubicles, conference rooms, remote work > > > locations. > > > > My > > > > > > old X based session is 226 days on a host with 43 other KDE, > Gnome, > > > > Mint > > > > > > and Xfce sessions. At home, it is similar, except with fewer > users. > > > > > > > > > > > > In my previous job, we used self service, per user VMs. That is > too > > > > > wildly > > > > > > progressive for our IT gatekeepers, so I am looking for > traditional > > > VNC > > > > > or > > > > > > RDP solution. And also for home use, so that I could move on > from X > > > on > > > > a > > > > > > headless servers. > > > > > > > > > > > > Anybody there who could help with good advice about how to go > about > > > it > > > > on > > > > > > recent Fedora, openSuSE, Ubuntu LTS? > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, Tomas > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
