> SATA is not being "dumped", nor considered "legacy" at that company
They don't exist in a vacuum, like the entire computer industry, they are dependent on the silicone coming out of the major Asian chip factories. And because the PC world has moved to M.2, the only development still being done on SATA parts is least-cost development. They can redesign the carriers all they want, but that's just redesigning the shell, the connectors, etc. The guts are still going to be using the last major revision of whatever SATA chip came out of wherever they bought it. It's like the 8088 processor. As I understand, Intel made that chip for something like 20 years even though through most of it's life it had zero microcode updates, zero development updates, merely because there were thousands of legacy designs in microwaves, furnaces, industrial gear, etc. As I already told you, "legacy" is not a bad word, so there's no point in trying to claim that "that company doesn't consider SATA legacy" as if you are trying to say "that company doesn't consider legacy = crap" But to you, "legacy" _is_ such a horrible word that you cannot even bear to hear it applied to this company so you prevaricate and say things like "they don't consider it legacy" You have "drunk the koolaid" as they say, you have accepted that "legacy = garbage" and thereby you are doing -precisely- what the computer industry wants you to do which is spend endless heaps of money chasing the promise that the new crap is better than the old crap when in 95% of the applications - it's not. Be proud of running legacy gear, Ben. Be proud of it. Ted -----Original Message----- From: PLUG <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Ben Koenig Sent: Tuesday, November 5, 2024 10:50 PM To: Portland Linux/Unix Group <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [PLUG] fast SATA SSD copying appliance? Whatever it was obviously poor choice of words on your part but I'm not exactly in the mood to perform the mental gymnastics necessary to understand what you actually intended to say. And there are so many other fascinating flamewars in the Linux world to get involved in ;) Would be nice if people didn't feel the overpowering urge to put a massively negative spin on things if that wasn't their intent. Even better if they didn't make excuses when someone points out the bad terminology. BTW in this particular context "legacy" also does not apply since they were actively developing new variations of their SATA parts as recently as 5 years ago. SATA is not being "dumped", nor considered "legacy" at that company. So both terms were simply wrong, incorrect, and just plain not right. -Ben On Tuesday, November 5th, 2024 at 10:05 PM, Ted Mittelstaedt <[email protected]> wrote: > Note that I did say legacy installs, Ben. > > Some of my most solid servers run on legacy hardware. Unlike most people I > don't regard the term "legacy" as bad. Legacy means reliable! (usually, > although I'll withdraw that for flathead screws and screwdrivers) > > Ted > > -----Original Message----- > From: PLUG [email protected] On Behalf Of Ben Koenig > > Sent: Saturday, November 2, 2024 1:32 PM > To: Portland Linux/Unix Group [email protected] > > Subject: Re: [PLUG] fast SATA SSD copying appliance? > > You need a break from the internet. > > Adding a new product line for a new standard does not constitute a "dumping" > of the old products. There is no need to put such a dramatic spin on it. > > I recommended this particular company to Keith specifically because I know > they tend to take an extremely conservative approach to the design and > development of their products and then keep them going for decades. I know > this is something many people appreciate even if most companies drop old > products like a hot rock the moment someone says "cloud" or "AI". > > -Ben > > > > > On Saturday, November 2nd, 2024 at 12:47 PM, Ted Mittelstaedt > [email protected] wrote: > > > Looks like they too are dumping SATA (except for legacy installs > > apparently) and shifting to NVMe > > > > https://www.cru-inc.com/ships/ > > > > Ted > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: PLUG [email protected] On Behalf Of Ben Koenig > > > > Unless something has changed in the years since I left, CRU has "trayless" > > drive bays. Meaning you can get a 2.5" SATA drive bay that replaces your > > DVD drive. > > https://www.cru-inc.com/products/removable/
