OMG this just bring to mind the quote from Scotty in one of the Star Trek 
movies:

"the more they overengineer the plumbing the easier it is to stop up the drain"

How effing difficult is it to put 2 effing HOLES in a plastic case like 
virtually every one of your competitors does so
That someone with a screw and a plastic insert can hang it on the wall?

When mounting anything lightweight on drywall, follow KISS.  If someone is 
carrying a ladder down the hall and accidentally knocks the AP off the wall, 
I'd rather have it come off and yank out the inserts which are barely being 
held in by friction, fall and smash to pieces, leaving 2 tiny holes in the 
drywall.  I would rather it DID NOT tear a huge chunk of drywall out with it 
now causing a 2 hour patch job which will never truly look perfectly correct. 

I get FREE screws + inserts in boxes that contain smoke detectors, 4 port 
mini-hubs, and a variety of consumer gear - most
Of the time unusable since I'm mounting the device on wood, or concrete, or not 
even mounting it at all - I throw them still in
Their little plastic packets into a cardboard box.   Then pull them out when I 
run into a need such as this.

Sure, I could take the device apart, and with a drill, and a very tiny rattail 
file, create two holes with a smaller elongated center, then cover
It with tape on the inside to protect the circuit board.   Spending 30 minutes 
to do it no doubt my time costing more than the $39 device is worth.

Or I can go to Ebay and buy me one of these

https://www.ebay.com/itm/167190306002

and wait a week.  For half the cost.  And no machining needed for mounting 
holes.

And as a bonus I already have like 6 of them in service in various locations 
running OpenWRT.......

The Linksys product case design was just dumb-ass stupid impractical.  More 
concerned with the form than the function.

The irony I find is that you guys are champing at the bit to replace the 
FIRMWARE inside of the plastic box because you are eager 
to admit how crappy that is, yet your defending Linkksys's dumb-ass crappy 
decision on the plastic case and would spend 30 minutes with
Glue and whatever else to preserve it?

Really?  

(this isn't to say the TP Link case design decisions aren't sometimes stupid as 
well.  The case on the TP Link Archer C9 is pure insanity.  No mounting holes, 
an aluminum stand that comes out of the case at right angles, and a Broadcom 
BCM4709 chipset.  On the plus side it is rock-solid reliable with DD-WRT, has a 
1Ghz CPU, hardware flow acceleration, and an 80Mhz wide 5Ghz radio that I can 
get 780Mbps from most areas of the house with.

Ted

-----Original Message-----
From: PLUG <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Michael Barnes
Sent: Saturday, December 21, 2024 11:47 AM
To: Portland Linux/Unix Group <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [PLUG] Linksys E8450 for "cheap"

On Sat, Dec 21, 2024 at 11:29 AM Ted Mittelstaedt <[email protected]>
wrote:

> The problem with that sort of approach is you basically have to take 
> the case apart because you can't just drill a hole in the case and 
> assume the drill bit isn't going to go right through the circuit board 
> inside
>
> And that just then gives you a threaded insert in the case which you 
> still need to figure out how to attach to the drywall.
>
>
Obviously a certain amount of common sense, technical ability, and ingenuity is 
expected. If detailed step-by-step instructions, parts lists, and technical 
drawings are expected, that is a whole other level of answer beyond "if the 
idiots from Linksys had put some screw holes in the side so they could be wall 
mounted".

Michael

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