On Mon, 11 Jun 2001 at 11:34, AB Ramos wrote:
> No. Read again the original post. The OP never mentioned physical
> access to the box. He only stated _shell_ access, but that's not my
> point.
I read the original post again just to be sure. You are correct, the
original post did not explicitly mention physical access to the box.
However, it did not explicitly mention the absence of physical access to
the box either. Furthermore the original message was written in such a way
that the situation was not clearly laid out, ergo, anything under the sun
could have been the situation. In such a case I would agree with what Doc
Mana did when he assumed that any scenario was possible and that access to
the hardware was probably allowed from users.
I quote: "even if you [are] a (sic) ordinary user with [a] shell account".
He probably simply noticed that either the shutdown command in the default
RedHat 7.0 installation, or the ctrl-alt-del keypress sequence, or both,
could reboot the computer, whether or not one had physical access. The
Doctor merely pointed out that unless you secure the computer physically,
there's not much you can do to prevent an ordinary user from rebooting a
machine.
> My point being Mr. P. Manalastas' first (sweeping?) statement ("You
> can reboot...") is true _only_ under certain circumstances.
Read Doc Mana's first reply again, clear your mind, then read it again,
and hopefully you will come to realize that his statements were indeed
true under the situation of unregulated physical access to the machine
that was clear in his (Doc Mana's) message. I would even add that whether
or not it were a computer, if you had physical access to it, you could at
the least shut it down. I say at the least because if you shut down a
human being properly, the likeness of getting it back up are very slim.
--> Jijo
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