On Wed, Dec 19, 2001 at 04:03:56PM +0800, Migs Paraz wrote (wyy sez): > On Wed, Dec 19, 2001 at 03:54:08PM +0800, Federico Sevilla III wrote: > > But don't developers develop GUI, too? > > Yeah I guess, I just haven't been exposed to it. I quit programming GUI's > during college. > i program gooey too. these things are done on a need to need basis lang. some applications require a gooey. most of my current apps are webified but i do have some java SWING gooey apps around. interface programming (not limited to gooeys lang) is an important part of every software piece. without the interface what good is the program? > > Believe me, GUI-bound programmers are PLENTIFUL! And I'm not just talking > > about STI or AMA. I'm talking about the Universty of the Philippines! I > > can't say anything about the Ateneo, I'm not Atenean. But my point is that > > a lot of CS (and not just IT/MIS) majors, while developers and > > programmers, think Microsofty (complete with clangers and FUD). And as a > > LUG I think we can (should?) do something. > plenty of gooey programmers here in the Ateneo. although, there are recent moves by the department of information systems and computer science to give students a more wholistic education and thus our Operating Systems and Systems Programming courses are very Unix-centric.
courses like automata and programming languages tend to be Unix-centric too. > I think the problem is more fundamental - why are people programming GUI's > and not servers? As long as people are skewed towards working on GUI's > and desktop apps they would naturally favor Windows because that's where the > users are! > some people just program because they are told to do so. why do we program because we need it. apparently there is this "perceived and not necessarily true" need to program gooey apps. backend apps tend to be forgotten especially in Unix and Linux when they work so well that nobody bothers changing them. > Now, if they had to do real problem-solving, that's where the programmer- > friendliness of Linux will shine. > speaking of programmer friendliness i find the GNU/Unix development toolchain very helpful for all types of developers. vi+automake+autoconf+Make+GCC+bison+flex+binutils+others make programming a lot easier. there is just a tiny bit of learning curve scaling involved when starting out with these tools. but, once you have learned to use them (not necessarily master them) they can really accelerate dev time. (note: ant is a Make-like too for java and its "Makefile" is an XML file which is really cool. plus ant is standard and thus available on all platforms. i just recently learned how to use and it and it is uber cool. especially for a Makefile person like me. hey i have Makefile for everything from backing up to LaTeX to software development) > > > Talking about which I'd like to informally announce the establishment of > > the ILUG, or the Isko't Iska Linux Users' Group. We already have a > > chatroom up, #ILUG, in the UP College of Medicine's IRC server, as well as > > a mailing list hosted in Banwa <http://banwa.upm.edu.ph/>. While advocacy > > work of the LUG will focus on UP Manila for starters (since this is where > > I'm from), the LUG is not campus-centric and is open to all Linux folk who > > study, work, or teach in the University. Muchos gracias to guru Eric > > Pareja for working on both the chatroom and the mailing list. :) > > Cool. So maybe we could get going on the Pinoy 'Sourceforge' with real > projects. Hehe. > in the spirit of of the movement. just start the project and the developers will come (hopefully) -------------------------------------- William Emmanuel S. Yu Ateneo Cervini-Eliazo Networks (ACENT) email : william.s.yu at ieee dot org web : http://cersa.admu.edu.ph phone : 63(2)4266001-5925/5904 GPG : http://sysads.ateneo.net/wyu/wyy.pgp War spares not the brave, but the cowardly. -- Anacreon
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