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>BWAHAHAHAHAHA! Understatement of the year!!! Please, don't take any
>offense, it's just I'm amazed at the amount of chutzpah in the statement!
>"You *cannot deny the fact* that there are applications that run in Windows
>that do not have an equivalent for Linux..." :-) :-) :-) There is a WHOLE
>DOGGONED CARTLOAD ^!@#!!$!% of apps that run in Windows that do not have
>an equivalent for Linux.  You want me to make a list?? :-)

There are also a plethora of applications that don't have a decent counterpart
in the Windows platform simply because the Windows platform is not yet robust
enough for the task. Then again, there are Win applications that don't have
decent equivalents in free software or open-source software.

Oh, by the way, it is no understatement. It is the truth. WINE was done
simply because there are applications in Windows that don't have decent
counterparts in Linux or some other free OS. It can be viewed as a transition
tool. Anyway, we don't live in a perfect world... Don't you just love freedom?

>Linux has to DESERVE this title, not because a bunch of frothing
>mouth zealots (or maybe it's just a handful with alternicks?) say
>it has to be so. Then again, with the Chinese government refusing
>to standardize on Windows and adopting Linux instead, we might not
>even have to wait for any additional improvements. A couple hundred
>million additional Linux machines would definitely dent MS worldwide
>market share

Microsoft is not standard. I won't care speaking about Microsoft since
I don't work for them (I don't have any intentions anyway...). 

Do not undermine freedom and how it can change the world. Review your
history lessons. There are less significant changes offered by the
conservatives. Call Win95 an innovation? I'll reduce that to merely
copying from the Mac - which is an innovation. Call WinXP an innovation-
it's just an improvement of Win2k plus some properties found in BSD -
which is an innovation (when you see how the original UNIX is compared
to BSD, you'll understand it even further). Even MS FUD is not innovation-
they copied and improved IBM's version. But I'll agree that how MS
made a killing and made the world conform to its monopoly is indeed
innovation. Freedom then was the magic that made major improvements in
UNIX - until AT&T enforced its control over the UNIX source, which slowed
down development and improvement of UNIX. In a closed-source platform,
progress is dictated by how the company wants the pace to go. Proven
by history. However, you'll only realize these simple truths if you've
seen so many, read so many and experienced far long enough, or at least
heed to those who do.

Anyway, Linux is not at war with Microsoft. Some users maybe so. Microsoft
itself is at war with Linux. Some users maybe so. But I don't buy that conflict
stuff. Sick of it anyway.

>Big question though: will Chinese users still opt to use pirated
>XP instead of Linux? MS' internationalization support is very good.
>Can Red Flag Linux measure up? Then again maybe the Chinese
>government can just execute everyone who doesn't use the government
>mandated OS and the zealots here would be very happy indeed living
>over there. HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR.

More probably so, unless some grass roots education can be started.
Education sets the mind free. They can opt to use a proprietary OS
or not - its their choice. That is freedom. As opposed to the MS model
of forced conformance to their policies. However, if one is not
educated and open-minded enough, one will opt to have freedom from choice.
Even as Linux users we should not force others to conform to what we
want - we would be like Microsoft if we do. Instead, we should educate
the people on the technical merits of an informed choice and their
freedom to exercise that choice - something that Microsoft vehemently
doesn't want to happen, for they will lose their hold over their
fat profits.

As you saw in the Linux development model, the features would come in
a matter of time. As I posted in a parallel mail, the issues are
multi-faceted and it is not programmer will alone that makes the rules
in this world. Consider the economics and policies of companies.

Your fourth statement and the last one, however, don't have a place
even in a merit for technicality. Not even a place in a Windows Users'
Group. Be a bit tactful, OK? It has come to my attention that you've been
doing some not so good mailing practices to some people here in the
mailing list. Not to disdain you, but at least give some respect.


Paolo Falcone

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