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Today's Topics:

1. Re: Re: Emacs, duplication of work (JM Ibanez)
2. Virtualhost Configuration Problems (Arshad Amade - EBS)
3. secure wlan via vpn (marc racal)
4. Re: Virtualhost Configuration Problems (Kelsey Hartigan Go)
5. Re: On Linux Getting "Fat" (Zak B. Elep)
6. Re: [OT] [plug] secure wlan via vpn (JM Ibanez)
7. Re: secure wlan via vpn (Jimmy Lim)
8. Re: Virtual host Configuration Problems (Arshad Amade - EBS)
9. Re: On Linux Getting "Fat" ([EMAIL PROTECTED])


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Message: 1
Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2004 16:26:59 +0800
From: JM Ibanez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [plug] Re: Emacs, duplication of work
To: Sacha Chua <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Philippine Linux Users Group
Mailing List <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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On Fri, 02 Jul 2004 16:21:58 +0800, Sacha Chua <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:
>
> > I do find holy wars on editors/WMs/DEs/OSes very tiring (and boring)
> > at times. So what if we had Vim, Emacs, pico and nano? Can't they
> > just live together in one big happy family? I find it frustrating to
>
> I don't think of it as a holy war at all. I like vim, and frequently
> help with vim questions. =) I just happen to like Emacs a great deal.
> Similarly, I don't really mind Windows and I'm a big fan of Mac OS X,
> but so far, Linux suits me best.

Personally, I'm an Emacs user myself, but I've switched to using
jEdit[1] as my Java development editor. I lust for a OS X box
(rawrr...) and am comfortable with using Windows (even though I avoid
Windows as much as possible).

Of course, once I save enough money, I'm going to get myself a Linux laptop. :D


--
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http://www.mycgiserver.com/~butiki/


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Message: 2
Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2004 10:22:58 +0200
From: "Arshad Amade - EBS" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: [plug] Virtualhost Configuration Problems
To: "Linux Plug" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Hi,

I'm having problems running 2 websites at one IP address, the problem is that always that i run http://www.company2.com it points me to the first company website. It was working before when i was managing my DNS in the same machine, but now our Nameserver is at our ISP. I just dont know what happened.

My httpd.conf is:
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NameVirtualHost 196.46.1.90


ServerAdmin [EMAIL PROTECTED]
DocumentRoot /var/www/html/comp1
ServerName www.company1.com
ErrorLog logs/www.company1.com-error_log
CustomLog logs/www.company1.com-access_log common



DocumentRoot /var/www/html/comp2
ServerName www.company2.com
ErrorLog logs/www.company2.com-error_log
CustomLog logs/www.company2.com-access_log common

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Please help me!
Any help will be grealy apreciated

Regards,

Arshad

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Message: 3
Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2004 17:07:45 +0800
From: marc racal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: [plug] secure wlan via vpn
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fellow plug-ers,

i would like to try to setup a secure wireless network setup via vpn. the tool
i'm going to use is openvpn, specifically, ethernet bridging using a linux box
as a server and the client(s) running windows 98. after reading the
documentation, i found out that the openvpn windows client does not support the
98 version.

here's the question (also off-topic): is there a way to _fool_ the openvpn
windows client installer that it is being installed in windows 2000/xp using a
98 version?

has anyone tried a similar setup? it seems that all the other vpn tools that i
found does not support windows 98. pptpd is already out of the list. here's
why:

http://mopo.informatik.uni-freiburg.de/pptp_mschapv2/pptp_mschapv2.html

-marc


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Message: 4
Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2004 17:09:19 +0800 (SGT)
From: Kelsey Hartigan Go <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [plug] Virtualhost Configuration Problems
To: Philippine Linux Users Group Mailing List <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Several things ...

1. are you usin g a browswer that supports HTTP 1.1
2. can you restart your httpd? ...
3. try

> NameVirtualHost 196.46.1.90
>
>
> ServerAdmin [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> DocumentRoot /var/www/html/comp1
> ServerName www.company1.com
> ErrorLog logs/www.company1.com-error_log
> CustomLog logs/www.company1.com-access_log common
>
>
>
> DocumentRoot /var/www/html/comp2
> ServerName www.company2.com
> ErrorLog logs/www.company2.com-error_log
> CustomLog logs/www.company2.com-access_log common
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>



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Message: 5
Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2004 17:15:03 +0800
From: "Zak B. Elep" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [plug] On Linux Getting "Fat"
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On Thu, Jun 24, 2004 at 08:01:18AM +0800, Dong Calmada wrote:
> I thought this would need some discussion among pluggers.
>
> Dong
>
>
> _____
>
> The Fast-Food Syndrome: The Linux Platform is Getting Fat
>
> By Bob Marr - Posted on
> 2004-06-10 05:48:42
> at OSNews [http://www.osnews.com/]
>

First of all, the 'fat' that we see here is mostly (but !purely) based
on perception. To illustrate, let me invoke a real-world example:

I was watching local TV the evening before, and the boob tube had
"Maala-ala Mo Kaya" featuring the life and troubles of Neri Naig (of
Star Circle Quest) fame. Perhaps a lot of folks here in PLUG watch
this (when they're not in front of their Linux CRTs ;), so I won't
elaborate on the story, but rather, on the strange situations in that
story: was Neri _really_ that ugly? I could understand here being
downtrodden and all, but I don't get the rest of the folks in that
story who think of her as some outsider. Perhaps it is reflective of
the 'superhero' situation (read: spider-man2 ;) all of us are most
familiar of...

The most important point here wrt the 'fat', however, is the
perception people have: the viewpoints of different people are as
multi-faceted as a glittering diamond. Perception is the problem
because we have a point of comparison, and for most of us, this point
of comparison is none other than (ahem) Microsoft Windows.

"Why is X slower than Windows?" "Why is action X more difficult to do
under Linux than on Windows?" "Where are all the coolest, most hyped
games?" "What the Fsckin' thing about FooBar XXX that sucks cycles in
Linux and flies in Windows?" Most (if not all) of us are very familiar
with these questions, to wit. The most unfortunate thing is, we (Linux
users and developers) have to bear with these sort of questions, even
if it is painful enough to warrant plunging the asker's head straight
inside a CRT ;)

So, what can we do to remove this 'fat'? Probably the quick and dirty
way is to strip a running system of this excess baggage: unneeded
apps, tools, games(!) and other stuff. With package managers getting
better nowadays, this seems to be the easiest way to get Linux lean
and mean ;) For the more sophisticated, turning off daemons and
long-running processes are even better ideas. However, the real
solution would be to inform people of the hows (and whys) of the Un*x
system and its structure as opposed to Windows (and perhaps other
OSes). That way, people would begin to understand the little
'eccentricites' that pervade each OS, and (hopefully) make their own
decisions as to fixing, tuni ng and customizing their Linux system.

Take me, for example: when I installed Debian 3.0 on my Machine
roughly a year ago, it was pretty hard, and just trying to get X to
work was a pain in the arse (remember: framebuffer OFF ;) But once I
got it, everything was working fine. I had almost all the apps from
tasksel installed, and even more from dselect; pretty soon I was
already nearing my 2GB limit in /usr :P By that time, though, I became
very familiar with the system, running Linux almost 100% of the time I
use my Athlon, so I already know about resize2fs by then. As time went
on I got gnome2.4 in my box (all the way on a 56K ppp) and played
happily with it. Up to until now (after migrating to gnome2.6) did I
realize the 'fat' was eating up cycles and memory; so, it's just an
`apt-get install xfce4` away to a less cluttered, more powerful
desktop. I'm now writing this in emacs btw, with 3 other aterms, a
OO.o instance, firefox, and xc hat on lurk, all occupying about 120MB
of 251 and not a byte of swap.

I was fortunate enough to be aware of one thing:
DOCUMENTATION. doc-linux-* and the rest stashed in /usr/share/doc/ are
lifesavers. USE THEM ;) They'll save you more than an apt-get or a
full reload: rtfm, rtfm, rtfm.

...

Ok, so this is turning into a book. I need to get going now to buy pan
de sal at the local baker. Might as well convince him to run Linux on
his La Germania ;)

Cheers,
Zakame

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Message: 6
Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2004 17:17:05 +0800
From: JM Ibanez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [OT] [plug] secure wlan via vpn
To: Philippine Linux Users Group Mailing List <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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On Fri, 2 Jul 2004 17:07:45 +0800, marc racal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:
>
> fellow plug-ers,
>
> i would like to try to setup a secure wireless network setup via vpn. the tool
> i'm going to use is openvpn, specifically, ethernet bridging using a linux box
> as a server and the client(s) running windows 98. after reading the
> documentation, i found out that the openvpn windows client does not support the
> 98 version.
>
> here's the question (also off-topic): is there a way to _fool_ the openvpn
> windows client installer that it is being installed in windows 2000/xp using a
> 98 version?

AFAICT, and from what I know of the windows architecture...

Short answer: You can't, not without great pain.

Long answer: The Win9x driver model is significantly different from
the 2000/xp model, since they're on two different branches of the
windows tree, so to speak. Win9x's predecessor is Win 3.1/DOS, while
2000/XP's predecessor is Win NT (wholly different creature). They have
pretty much different innards-- 9x still has 16-bit driver access, and
a whole slew of driver compatibility workarounds, while NT/2000/XP
uses a purely 32-bit driver interface.

So, a driver for 2000/XP (presumably, using the NT driver model) may
not work. The other way around, I think, is possible-- Win9x drivers
might work on 2000/XP, but not without serious system stability loss.

YMMV, and IANA Microsoft Certified

--
JM Ibanez
http://www.livejournal.com/~jmibanez/
http://www.mycgiserver.com/~butiki/


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Message: 7
Date: Fri, 02 Jul 2004 17:23:02 +0800
From: Jimmy Lim <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [plug] secure wlan via vpn
To: Philippine Linux Users Group Mailing List <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Content-Type: text/plain

I suggest you use ipsec on this and install safenet/PGPnet aka
road-warrior for win98

HTH

On Fri, 2004-07-02 at 17:07, marc racal wrote:
> fellow plug-ers,
>
> i would like to try to setup a secure wireless network setup via vpn. the tool
> i'm going to use is openvpn, specifically, ethernet bridging using a linux box
> as a serv er and the client(s) running windows 98. after reading the
> documentation, i found out that the openvpn windows client does not support the
> 98 version.
>
> here's the question (also off-topic): is there a way to _fool_ the openvpn
> windows client installer that it is being installed in windows 2000/xp using a
> 98 version?
>
> has anyone tried a similar setup? it seems that all the other vpn tools that i
> found does not support windows 98. pptpd is already out of the list. here's
> why:
>
> http://mopo.informatik.uni-freiburg.de/pptp_mschapv2/pptp_mschapv2.html
>
> -marc
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Message: 8
Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2004 11:22:10 +0200
From: "Arshad Amade - EBS" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [plug] Virtualhost Configuration Problems
To: "Philippine Linux Users Group Mailing List"
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Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"

yes, my browser supports HTTP 1.1
i have restarted also my httpd
still same problem.


----- Original Message -----
From: "Kelsey Hartigan Go" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Philippine Linux Users Group Mailing List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, July 02, 2004 11:09 AM
Subject: Re: [plug] Virtualhost Configuration Problems


> Several things ...
>
> 1. are you using a browswer that supports HTTP 1.1
> 2. can you restart your httpd? ...
> 3. try
>
> > NameVirtualHost 196.46.1.90
> >
> >
> > ServerAdmin [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > DocumentRoot /var/www/html/comp1
> > ServerName www.company1.com
> > ErrorLog logs/www.company1.com-error_log
> > CustomLog logs/www.company1.com-access_log common
> >
> >
> >
> > DocumentRoot /var/www/html/comp2
> > ServerName www.company2.com
> > ErrorLog logs/www.company2.com-error_log
> > CustomLog logs/www.company2.com-access_log common
> >
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
----------------------
> >
>
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Message: 9
Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2004 17:57:08 +0800
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [plug] On Linux Getting "Fat"
To: Philippine Linux Users Group Mailing List <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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On Fri, Jul 02, 2004 at 05:15:03PM +0800, Zak B. Elep wrote:
> So, what can we do to remove this 'fat'? Probably the quick and dirty
> way is to strip a running system of this excess baggage: unneeded> apps, tools, games(!) and other stuff. With package managers getting
> better nowadays, this seems to be the easiest way to get Linux lean
> and mean ;)

That depends on where you're coming from. Stripping down something like
Red Hat 9 or Fedora Core can be quite a chore, and getting rid of all
the excess baggage we don't really need for our purposes gets more and
more complicated. It's the main reason I switched to Gentoo. Only
disadvantage is that I spend a lot of time building new packages from
source. :) To those poor blighters still afflicted by RPM, they're gonna
have a hell of a time trimming the fat.

> For the more sophisticated, turning off daemons and long-running
> processes are even better ideas. However, the real solution would be
> to inform people of the hows (and whys) of the Un*x system and its
> structure as opposed to Windows (and perhaps other OSes).
> That way, people would begin to un derstand the little
> 'eccentricites' that pervade each OS, and (hopefully) make their own
> decisions as to fixing, tuning and customizing their Linux system.

Few newcomers, using today's distros, are ever exposed to this in a
serious way until they try to do more ambitious customization. The more
modern Linux distributions look more and more like black boxes than
their forebears, but their nature still allows you to rip the covers off
a lot more easily than Windows, or even proprietary Unix variants. It's
just getting a harder (but it is doubtful that this will ever become as
hard as their proprietary counterparts make it), but certainly it would
be a Good Thing to have this trend slow down some.

--
dido
"The only thing of value passing through a politician's brain is a bullet."


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