i agree! most open-source projects that have any
measure of success are mostly "me-too" implementations
of stuff you see in proprietary software. 

i'm still not sure about Mono though. it looks like
yet another "me-too" effort, though some of Miguel de
Icaza's arguments for Mono seem compelling. i'm still
on a wait-and-see mode as far as mono is concerned. in
the meantime, i'll still rely on Java for my bread and
butter. 

just my 2 cents. :-)

joel

--- Orlando Andico <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> 
> I would hardly call them out-witted!
> do you know how many visual basic developers there
> are? they totally
> outnumber the open-source crowd.
> 
> and the open-source crowd isn't particularly
> innovative. where is the
> visual studio .NET of open source? heck.. where is
> the .NET Framework
> (or equivalent -- J2EE is not OSS either) of
> open-source?
> 
> > Basically m$ wants also a part of the brain pool,
> they are loosing
> > ideas on what to stick into windoze ;p
> 
> A common complaint against both KDE and GNOME is
> that they have
> nothing new interface-wise. they just ape features
> in the
> closed-source GUI's like windows XP and macos X.
> 
> > Anyway its a good idea, as long as proprietary OS
> such as windows
> > exist.. specialist like us in both fields
> (opensource and windows)
> > will have lots of work, building
> interopearatibility solutions ;p
> 
> well i'm counting on Mono to come through.
> interoperability, guaranteed.  :)
> it's like the promise of Java, with a nicer language
> and nicer toolset.
> 
> although i must add -- .NET Framework free as in
> beer, with free
> command-line compilers; and Visual Studio Express
> free as in beer -- i
> don't think these would ever happen if M$ didn't
> feel threatened by
> Linux/OSS.
> 
> but STILL -- deriding M$ as "running out of ideas"
> etc. is wrong. they
> have more ideas in there than the OSS community,
> which, with the
> exception of people like Linus and Miguel (and
> similar) are a bunch of
> college students with too much time on their hands.
> 
> side-note. PBA Finals Game 4. a measly 500mhz
> pentium-III. 700
> simultaneous video streaming connections, windows
> media server. i was
> surprised myself! didn't know windows was up to
> that. moral of the
> story: M$ has decent, even excellent solutions. the
> OSS crowd
> shouldn't be congratulating itself for innovation,
> because there's not
> much innovation in OSS. the OSS crowd *should*
> congratulate itself for
> forcing M$ to be honest and to continually strive to
> make their
> products better.
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