hi, may i ask who is mr. ng? On 4/15/05, bryan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi, > > Mr. Ng favors MS, and I respect his choice.... He/his > company is still one of our suppliers. But only to a > limited extent, because from the start we have been > using 100% opensource/free software in the office. > (Mr. Ng and staff were not able to offer a product > comparable to Opensource/Free software...) > > Regarding his article you may want to bring this to > the attention of Mr. Stallman, Mr. Torvalds, etc..... > > Once I did have a talk with Mr. Ng regarding > Opensource(Linux in particular). He gave an analogy > with a fine restaurant and a not so fine restaurant... > MS & GNU/Linux.... > > Well that's his opinion. We may or may not share his > opinion, and we are free to choose... :) > > "Why slay a beast? Only to become a beast yourself." > > > --- Manny <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Here's some really BS from another M$ lackey. > > > > It would seem Mr. Ng here never even bothered to > > question the financial > > analysis of his "client", and instead used what were > > probably major errors > > to push for M$. He also completely misunderstands > > the GPL when he thinks > > open source software mauy not remain free. He seems > > to think it refers > > only to license costs. He also conveniently omits > > the fact that Fedora and > > the RHEL "clones" (WBEL and CentOS) are free. > > > > God bless! > > ---------- > > > > Ng: Mulling migration to open source > > By Wilson Ng > > Wired Desktop > > > http://www.sunstar.com.ph/static/ceb/2005/04/14/bus/ng.mulling.migration.to.open.source.html > > > > SAVING ON LICENSES. I was talking to a top executive > > of an international > > computer services company. They now use a lot of > > Microsoft products, but > > he said they are considering some open source > > products to save on > > licenses. The following are some of the things we > > talked about. > > > > But first, I must tell the readers two things. > > First, I have been using > > Microsoft products for the last 23 years, and our > > company has been a > > Microsoft partner for the last 10. I am also a > > designated Microsoft Most > > Valuable Professional, whose job is to educate > > people on the uses of > > computers, again, specifically, for Microsoft. > > > > Second, I idolize Bill Gates. I particularly like > > the fact that he helped > > shape the technology revolution as well as donated > > over $30 billion to > > charitable causes. > > > > This executive I was talking to said he likes > > Microsoft products, and the > > decision would purely be a financial decision. > > > > He also told me that if they wanted to migrate from > > Microsoft to open > > source, it would mean reinvestments in hardware, > > rewriting some computer > > software programs, massive reorientation and > > migration of data, as well as > > retraining of their people. They also expect some > > confusion, downtime and > > possible loss of data or productivity. They also > > took into consideration > > the employee man-hours needed to rewrite and deploy > > programs and other > > changes. > > > > Taking these into consideration, they came up with a > > financial model > > showing that they would end up losing money in the > > first three years, > > break even at around the fourth year, make money > > (actually save money on > > software licenses) starting on the fifth year, and > > recoup the losses of > > the first three to four years by the seventh year. > > > > I started to kid him that you dont invest in > > something, especially > > information technology (IT), that will give returns > > only after eight > > years, especially if your current system seems to be > > running fine. > > > > It is not as if you dont have a choice, I told him. > > After all, when > > you change your technology infrastructure, it is > > extremely risky and also > > entails a lot of work with precious IT people that > > could have been used to > > do something else. > > > > Moreover, in eight years, the technology landscape > > will have changed > > massively. I asked him how he did his computations. > > After five or six > > years, were they expecting the current open source > > software to still be > > free? And were they expecting Microsoft to charge > > the same prices as > > before? > > > > He admitted those were the assumptions, so I warned > > him that these might > > be too optimistic. Every enterprise is obligated to > > maximize shareholder > > return, so companies cannot be always giving things > > away for free. > > > > Listing in Ebay was almost free before. When they > > got a good market share, > > they started to charge. Texting using cell phones > > was free before. Now > > telcos are charging. > > > > Red Hat Linux is hardly free nowadays. It is listed > > in the stock exchange > > and valued at over $2 billion. > > > > With sales of only over $100 million and net income > > of slightly over $10 > > million, why would a company be valued over $2 > > billion? Obviously, the > > market expects them to enjoy a ten- to twentyfold > > increase in revenues in > > the next few years. To gain that kind of revenue, > > you have to gain both > > market share AND better prices. As a result, there > > is scarcely anything > > now from Red Hat that is considered cheap. > > > > There will be two scenarios that can happen after > > five years. > > > > The first is that Microsoft keeps its market share > > and remains expensive, > > and open source will continue to have a small market > > share and be free. > > Then it may be worthwhile for a service firm to pay > > extra to work with a > > technology which 90 percent of its customers also > > use. > > > > This makes everything easierless training, easier > > interchange of files, > > easier time getting the business etc. > > > > The second scenario is that Microsoft will have > > lower market share and > > open source will have higher market share. When that > > happens, you cannot > > expect open source firms not to start charging. In > > both cases, I told him, > > the financial model may not hold. > > > > Over the last six months, almost a million people > > got a Sun Cellular phone > > because they could make unlimited calls for P250. > > They justified the cost > > of another cell phone with the savings they would > > get. They assumed that > > Sun would continue at P250 per month and the other > > providers would > > continue the same pricing. > > > > But as Sun gained market share, it increased its > > price to P350, while > > we now have responses from both Globe and Smart. > > > > > > --[Manny > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Member: Philippine League for Democratic > > Telecommunications > > Alternative Information and Opinion: > > www.phnix.net > > PGP Key ID 3E7F7C68 from keyserver > > pgp.mit.edu > > --[Open Minds > > > Philippines]--------------------[openminds.linux.org.ph]-- > > -- > > Philippine Linux Users' Group (PLUG) Mailing List > > plug@lists.q-linux.com (#PLUG @ irc.free.net.ph) > > Official Website: http://plug.linux.org.ph > > Searchable Archives: http://marc.free.net.ph > > . > > To leave, go to > > http://lists.q-linux.com/mailman/listinfo/plug > > . > > Are you a Linux newbie? 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