Not sure why the homelessness is a topic on PLUG, unless they are homeless because they don't have an IPv6 address.
On Sun, Sep 22, 2019, 6:51 PM Mike C. <[email protected]> wrote: > On Sun, Sep 22, 2019 at 4:27 PM <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Send PLUG mailing list submissions to > > [email protected] > > > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > > [email protected] > > > > You can reach the person managing the list at > > [email protected] > > > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > > than "Re: Contents of PLUG digest..." > > > > > > Today's Topics: > > > > 1. Re: IP tracking (Ben Koenig) > > 2. Re: How we treat the homeless... (John Jason Jordan) > > 3. Re: PLUG HAS A VENUE PROBLEM (Denis Heidtmann) > > 4. Re: How we treat the homeless.. (Mike C.) > > 5. Re: IP tracking (Rich Shepard) > > 6. Re: How we treat the homeless... (Jim Karlock) > > 7. Re: How we treat the homeless... (Michael Barnes) > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > Message: 1 > > Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2019 13:01:29 -0700 > > From: Ben Koenig <[email protected]> > > To: [email protected] > > Subject: Re: [PLUG] IP tracking > > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed > > > > > > On 9/22/19 10:41 AM, Thomas Groman wrote: > > > ... When it comes to calendering, NextCloud is great > > > for this. It can provide both a web interface and CalDav services for > > > integration within Thunderbird, CalCurse-caldav, android, or anything > > > else than handles caldav... > > > > You make some good points, but also demonstrate the level to which > > google is embedded in software development. In recommending ways to get > > away from google's tracking, you mentioned compatibility with Android, > > which renders all efforts to afford the problem meaningless. Tracking > > that is baked into the OS affects all apps running within that OS, so > > you have to stop using android. Also stop mentioning it. > > > > > > Not that I'm the best example of this, writing from my gmail account. > > > > > > Another example of OS-level integration is systemd. systemd defaults to > > google's nameservers when no others are provided. It's a fallback > > mechanism if standard DNS configuration fails, and is implemented at > > compile time. Like you mentioned, it's more than just IP tracking, you > > need to start rejecting entire chunks of your OS stack if you want to > > actually get away from google's profile building. > > > > > > It's pretty disgusting these days. Distros like Debian and Ubuntu > > working behind the scenes to sell out the community. Even Mozilla links > > up with all those API's, making a weak claim that their use for tracking > > is totally different from everyone else's. They still send data to > > google servers.... > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Message: 2 > > Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2019 13:17:39 -0700 > > From: John Jason Jordan <[email protected]> > > To: [email protected] > > Subject: Re: [PLUG] How we treat the homeless... > > Message-ID: <20190922131739.1fda6333@Devil-Bonobo> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII > > > > On Sun, 22 Sep 2019 10:46:00 -0700 (PDT) > > Rich Shepard <[email protected]> dijo: > > > > >This is a continuing, higly complex problem that has no simple > > >resolution. > > > > +1 > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Message: 3 > > Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2019 14:06:58 -0700 > > From: Denis Heidtmann <[email protected]> > > To: "Portland Linux/Unix Group" <[email protected]> > > Subject: Re: [PLUG] PLUG HAS A VENUE PROBLEM > > Message-ID: > > < > > caarut0iwxupfzf-e4g7wusuz4vampk+pt_pwrgnsaidxadu...@mail.gmail.com> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > > > FWIIW, PSU has done the same thing with the doors in SB1, even though > there > > is a business operating in that building. I once had to let in one of > > their customers. > > -Denis > > > > On Sat, Sep 21, 2019 at 7:17 PM Russell Senior < > [email protected]> > > wrote: > > > > > I am a fan of Portland State as a venue. Firstly, we've been there > > forever, > > > b) their mission includes engaging with the community (not least > because > > > it's a service to their students); and iii) it's got a good central > > > location with good transportation options. I suggest we picket the PSU > > > administration building; second I suggest we investigate whether a room > > in > > > a different building might work. I recall we were in Smith for quite a > > > while before moving to the Engineering building. > > > > > > On Sat, Sep 21, 2019 at 4:27 PM Vince Winter < > [email protected]> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > Hey, > > > > > > > > I can try to convince free geek to host on Sundays during the day > > > 11am-5pm > > > > area? They maybe open to that. > > > > > > > > Have you tried reaching out to the campus security to see if they > would > > > be > > > > open to having someone help with door between 645 to 715? > > > > > > > > On Fri, Sep 20, 2019, 4:53 PM Michael Dexter <[email protected]> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > Hello all, > > > > > > > > > > Thank you everyone who pointed out a few odd elements about the > last > > > > > meeting, none of which were the fact that I was not there. > > > > > > > > > > 1. The room change was temporary. Whew! > > > > > > > > > > 2. Thanks to the homeless abusing PSU resources, the engineering > > > > > building will be locking its doors at 5:30PM starting next month. > > > > > > > > > > This is sounds minor but the "answer" is to have someone at the > door > > > who > > > > > can identify PLUG attendees (not necessarily easy) and not allow in > > > > > anyone who should not enter (also not easy). This door guard would > > also > > > > > ideally hang around for 15 or so minutes to accommodate late > > arrivals. > > > > > > > > > > I personally do not want PLUG members to be in the campus security > > > > > business given that it could incur liability should they fail to > > comply > > > > > with the school's security policies they are expected to enforce. > > > > > > > > > > PLUG has been at PSU for over 20 years and venues of this quality > do > > > not > > > > > come easily. > > > > > > > > > > Please share your ideas on how we can work around this new > > restriction! > > > > > > > > > > Please also share your ideas on venues should a solution not > present > > > > > itself. The ideal venue, like PSU: > > > > > > > > > > * Is central with good public transportation access > > > > > * Is free of charge > > > > > * Is not dependent on a staff attendant unless they are guaranteed > to > > > be > > > > > there for other reasons > > > > > * Has good lighting > > > > > * Has a good projector > > > > > * Has affordable, safe parking for those who cannot take public > > > > > transportation > > > > > * Has good WiFI and optional Ethernet Internet access > > > > > * Has good food options on site or nearby > > > > > > > > > > Free Geek is a highly-sympathetic venue but does not meet all of > > these > > > > > criteria. > > Actually it is a very simple, two tiered, problem: > > > > 1. Cost of housing is ONLY in areas with severe restrictions on building > > on unused land. In Oregon & Washington it is Urban Grown > > Boundaries. They have doubled cost of rents/ housing. Simple economics - > > they create a shortage of land, which drives up the > > price. In Portland's low income are, Lents, a parcel recently sold for > ONE > > MILLION/ acra which is about $125,000 for a 5000 sf empty > > lot. Portland adds at lease $50,000 to that for permission to build. When > > you start with almost $200,000 in cost BEFORE building anything, > > you cannot build affordable houses. > > > > Yes but also Oregon & Texas are the only 2 states that don't have > "Inclusionary Housing" laws that require developers to build a certain > number of affordable / low income units. More info here, > > https://www.oregonlive.com/politics/2015/04/after_years_of_trying_inclusio.html > > > > > 2. People who simply cannot afford rent, end up living with friends, > > sharing an apartment, living in a camper or moving to another area. There > > are many successful services for this group. They generally do not end up > > in tests surrounded by needles. > > > > Yes, "generally" as far as generalizations go. > > 3. Tent people are about 50-80% drug/alcohol addicts, some mentally ill > > that probably should be in institutions, and criminals who no one > > will rent to. > > > > I've heard a variety of life stories and personally know a lot people from > all walks of life. We also have housed & employed drug addicts, alcoholics, > criminals and sociopaths. One of who resides in the grandest house of all > at 1600 Pennsylvania Ave. > > These aspects of human experience aren't the exclusive domain of the > homeless. > > > > You may have noted an increase in people doing absolutely crazy things > > described as a mental health crisis - mostly illegal drug use. > > > > View Seattle is Dying on YouTube for one viewpoint on the problem. > > > > I've seen it, wasn't impressed by nor did I agree wit it because it > doesn't address the root cause of alcohol, drug, tobacco and other > addictions. Most often addiction is the result of trauma, abuse, social > disconnection in which their basic human needs aren't being met and mental > illness such as depression in which people are simply seeking a respite > from their own suffering not unlike many housed people do when they drink > and adult beverage, partake of the herb or otherwise entertain/distract > themselves in the privacy of their own home. > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > PLUG mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > _______________________________________________ PLUG mailing list [email protected] http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
