This seems like a good time to remind everyone of the Robustness Principle:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robustness_principle On Fri, Feb 5, 2021 at 12:25 PM Michael Dexter <[email protected]> wrote: > > Rich, Please don't say whatever you said to Ben. > > Ben, please engage in context on the call, calling him, myself, or > anyone else out. After the fact is less helpful every minute that passes. > > Otherwise, it is off-topic and no one has time here to litigate it. > > My sincere apologies for anyone whose feeling were here while engaging > with PLUG but this back and forth ends here. Call me out when I am out > of line but I will have zero patience for a pissing match that should > have been quickly resolved in context. > > You are free to set these rules if you are willing to step up and > organize the group for a decade or two. > > 100% of your PLUG membership dues will be refunded upon request. > > Michael Dexter > PLUG Volunteer > > On 2/5/21 12:08 PM, Ben Koenig wrote: > > Wow, ok. You engage me and then just push it away to a different list? > > WTF is this arrogant bullshit? > > > > > > I really do deserve an apology for the crap you and Rich both pulled, > > but I don't expect either of you to do the right thing. I'm also not > > gonna try bring this up with a list "moderator" since that's pretty much > > you. So if you don't like my attitude just shut up and use the ban hammer. > > > > > > Nobody likes having their words twisted so just apologize, shut up, and > > move the fuck on. And don't expect me to gush empathy for your pandemic > > problems. 7.5 billion people are dealing with it so fuck off dude. > > > > -Ben > > > > > > On 2/5/21 11:19 AM, Michael Dexter wrote: > > > >> Ben, > >> > >> PLUG is a venue for free software and open source discussions. > >> > >> Take it to the plug-talk is or elsewhere outside of PLUG. > >> > >> Michael Dexter > >> PLUG Volunteer > >> > >> On 2/5/21 11:09 AM, Ben Koenig wrote: > >>> > >>> On 2/5/21 10:41 AM, Michael Dexter wrote: > >>>> On 2/5/21 10:22 AM, Ben Koenig wrote: > >>>>> Failure to teach basic linguistic skills will ultimately result in > >>>>> adults who routinely fail to understand simple statements. Not only > >>>>> am I struggling to properly convey my thoughts, you are struggling > >>>>> to properly understand the message as it was written. Imagine the > >>>>> chaos 20 years from now when the children of today's Zoom classes > >>>>> start taking on real responsibility. > >>>> > >>>> If I read this correctly, you are saying that a number of attendees > >>>> are struggling with basic comprehension, attendees, who, in my case, > >>>> have had 8 hours of online events in 24 hours while juggling a job > >>>> and the needs of a family of five during a pandemic. > >>>> > >>>> Do I have that right? > >>> > >>> > >>> No, that is not a correct. You actually ignored several important > >>> details and added the idea that I am judging you, personally. This is > >>> simply not the case and if you want to understand more.. read on... > >>> > >>> > >>> Based solely on the single paragraph you pulled from my email, I can > >>> see why you would come to such a conclusion. In a sense, you made the > >>> same mistake Rich did earlier. Take a single piece from a larger > >>> message and extrapolate to form a completely new and unintended > >>> meaning. This often involves adding whatever you personally are > >>> feeling at the time into the mix even if the statement had nothing to > >>> do with you. > >>> > >>> > >>> Which it did not. Who was Ben replying to? Where in his email was > >>> Michael mentioned? At what point did Ben refer to any PLUG users > >>> specifically? > >>> > >>> > >>> It's kind of amusing to note that in the paragraph you quoted, I use > >>> the term "you are struggling..." Based on the text as it shows in my > >>> email client it appears that a user by the name of "Ben Koenig" made > >>> that statement in reply to a user named "Michael Dexter". However, if > >>> you go back to the original email you will notice that "Ben Koenig" > >>> was actually replying to "Rich Shepard". > >>> > >>> > >>> So if Ben is referring to Rich, why is Michael taking it personally? > >>> Rich is the only person who has any reason to take this personally. > >>> > >>> > >>> Also in that same paragraph, did Michael notice that Ben admitted > >>> that Ben sometimes struggles to properly convey his thoughts? > >>> > >>> > >>> I'm really not trying to be mean here. I just think it's fascinating > >>> how quickly a conversation can fall apart and if I'm gonna be totally > >>> honest here.. I'm kind of annoyed that the emails I write are > >>> repeatedly twisted to mean things that I didn't actually write. I > >>> also admit that such scenarios amuse the hell of out me so I tend to > >>> poke the bear. > >>> > >>> > >>> So relax.. and if you read all the way down to the bottom of this > >>> email before replying, congratulations! > >>> > >>> -Ben > >>> > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> PLUG: https://pdxlinux.org > >>> PLUG mailing list > >>> [email protected] > >>> http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> PLUG: https://pdxlinux.org > >> PLUG mailing list > >> [email protected] > >> http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > > _______________________________________________ > > PLUG: https://pdxlinux.org > > PLUG mailing list > > [email protected] > > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > > _______________________________________________ > PLUG: https://pdxlinux.org > PLUG mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug _______________________________________________ PLUG: https://pdxlinux.org PLUG mailing list [email protected] http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
