On Aug 11, 2005, at 8:54 AM, Dennis wrote:

Jonathan Ellis wrote:

On Wed, 10 Aug 2005 17:58:00 -0600, "Erich Pletsch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
said:
If you prefer simple, but have a bunch of Java developers at your
disposal, consider JSF.

Man.  Twice in one day, I'm marveling at how huge the gap betwen
"Jonathan simple" and "J2EE simple" appears to be. It's like I'm living
in some kind of parallel universe.

Here's one example just for fun.
http://java.sun.com/j2ee/1.4/docs/tutorial/doc/ JSFDevelop5.html#wp1003532

That's exactly the type of simplicity (complexity) I was mentioning
before. Web languages have developed to a point where you can do things
real quick and REALLY simple ( not J2EE simple.)

Ah, 'tis nice to bask in the flames.

As much fun as it is to do so, let's bring a little perspective.

Opinions on programming languages are like feet. Every geek has them, and they all stink.

You don't believe your feet stink? Take off your shoes/flip-flops/sandals sometime and take a wiff! Then take a look at your opinions. Believe me, they smell about the same.

In all seriousness, Java is a good language that many people/companies obviously find useful. Ruby is cool too. So is Python, Perl, C, C++, Objective-C, SmallTalk, OCaml, Scheme, Lisp, C#, COBOL, Fortran, Pascal, Basic, Assembly, and Binary.

While we are on the subject, what I really miss is punch cards. Who was the idiot who came up with typing a program into an editor and then compiling and running it? Sure it's fast, but what if your computer crashes and your hard drive goes on the fritz? There goes your code. Myself, I will trust my programs to punch cards. That way I always have a hard copy of all my code, and it can be run anytime I want. No more trying to remember file names or worrying about backing up data. Just get a file cabinet. Much cheaper than another hard drive. The only thing that will destroy my code is a spilled drink, not forces of nature or freak accidents.

Grant

P.S. If you didn't at least smile when you read the preceding paragraphs, call the police and let them know someone stole your sense of humor.

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