On Fri, 12 Aug 2005 at 10:47 -0600, Nicholas Leippe wrote: > On Friday 12 August 2005 10:36 am, Hans Fugal wrote: > > On Fri, 12 Aug 2005 at 09:33 -0700, Jonathan Ellis wrote: > > > On Fri, 12 Aug 2005 10:28:55 -0600, "Hans Fugal" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > > > > I wouldn't go so far, in any case, as to say that TMTOWTDI has been > > > > conclusively proven to be a Bad Thing. > > > > > > Yeah, but you're a sysadmin. :) > > > > Who happens to have a BS in CS and is headed for grad school in CS. > > No need to get hoity-toity on us--we all have credentials.
Just pointing out in the most succinct way that I do have programming experience and interest in da code, which I felt was what he was challenging by calling me a sysadmin (which I also am, and yes they are distinct skills). > > > The only difference between good code and bad code is exactly "what it > > > looks like inside." Perl5 makes it easy to write bad code and from what > > > I've seen of perl6 that won't change. > > > > Yeah, but you're a programmer. ;-) The real world mostly cares about > > what your program DOES. If perl programmers prduce a good volume of > > working quality programs, perl can't be all bad. Not conclusively proven > > bad, anyway. > > Sure, one perl coder can produce gobs of useful code quite quickly. > Two can produce twice as many gobs of code as quickly. > But can they easily swap gobs of code and maintain the each other's code? > > IMO, perl is pretty far out on the spectrum from the 'nearly self > documenting' language holy grail. > > In my experience, if I have to read a line of code more than once to > understand it, it's poor code and is taking up my time. Yup. You're absolutely right. I say these things all the time. I don't see how it negates the fact that a lot of smart people write a lot of useful programs in perl, which is my point. They do it in java too, and python, and ruby, and C and C++ and even Cobol. A language is just a language. Some are better than others to those of us that are knee-deep in it, but in the end a language that fosters enough of a following that smart people solve real problems with it, is an ok language by me. -- .O. Hans Fugal | De gustibus non disputandum est. ..O http://hans.fugal.net | Debian, vim, mutt, ruby, text, gpg OOO | WindowMaker, gaim, UTF-8, RISC, JS Bach --------------------------------------------------------------------- GnuPG Fingerprint: 6940 87C5 6610 567F 1E95 CB5E FC98 E8CD E0AA D460
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