On Oct 14, 2005, at 3:20 PM, Corey Edwards wrote:

On Fri, 2005-10-14 at 15:06 -0600, Barry Roberts wrote:

On Fri, Oct 14, 2005 at 02:11:24PM -0600, Michael Torrie wrote:


Again, intuitiveness is relative.


I disagree.  No computer user interface is intuitive.  I like the old
(in Internet years) saying that the only "intuitive" interface is the
nipple.  Everything else is learned.


And I further disagree with your disagreement. Neither of my two kids
has /just known/ how to nurse. It took a lot of patience and hard work
to teach them. The most recent one had this annoying habit of keeping
his tongue on top of his mouth which prevented him from getting any
milk. I had to feed him with a tube taped to my finger and force his
tongue into the right position before he learned how the deal works.

Sorry if that was TMI for anybody, but it's not fair to trivialize the
hard work that women put into breast feeding.

You're right; no interface is intuitive in the sense that everyone automatically knows how to use it. Therefore, if the word is to be useful at all, we must consider a different meaning for it. Let's drop into semantic reasoning mode and see if we can find one.

Intuitive is derived from intuition. And what is intuition? My dictionary says it's the ability to understand something without conscious reasoning. That sounds good to me, but now we have to consider what the ramifications of that are.

How does one understand something /without/ conscious reasoning? It must be through some unconscious process. How do unconscious processes work? Well, they must either operate on knowledge somehow already wired into the brain or put there through divine inspiration. :) Since divine inspiration doesn't seem like a good basis for 'intuition' in the context of user interfaces, I think we can discard that one for this discussion. As for information wired into the brain, it had to be either genetically-encoded (instinct) or wired-in through experience.

Since we've discarded instinct as a useful basis for determining the basis of intuitiveness (see the nipple argument above), it falls back to experience. And since we all have experiences that are--to some degree--common, and--to some other degree--different, we must conclude that intuitiveness is indeed relative to our experience.

To the programmers who created vi and emacs, who were steeped in experience with non-visual command line editors, I believe vi and emacs must have been very intuitive indeed. To people who grew up in the Macintosh/Windows generation, they will be quite far from intuitive; there will be no experiences wired into their brains for the subconscious processes to work with.

I don't believe this reduces their ultimate utility at all; once conscious processes are applied and the techniques are internalized, there's no difference. It just means they aren't immediately useful, while programs with intuitive interfaces are.

        --Levi

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