On 2/13/07, Bryan Sant <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
On 2/13/07, Levi Pearson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Advanced IDEs these days are only an incremental improvement over IDE
> technology that existed for years in the advanced Smalltalk and Lisp
> environments of 15-20 years ago. Granted, those environments were
Woooooo. The IDE features that exist today in Eclipse and IntelliJ
are far more advanced than the IDE's of yesteryear. If you're
thinking, "Hey, I've used Microsoft Visual Studio. I know what IDE's
have to offer." You are dead wrong. Likewise if you've used Borland
Turbo C++ or the like. There is no comparison between prior IDEs and
the modern Java IDEs.
I'll stay out of the "Java vs. The World" and "IDE: Manna or Necessary
Evil?" arguments, but read again what Levi wrote, Bryan. Levi wasn't
talking about VS or Borland Turbo C++ (the latter I remember using, so
I know where you're coming from with that comparison). Levi referred
to Smalltalk/Lisp/etc. IDEs. I'm not familiar with Lisp IDEs, so I
can't say anything there. Squeak, on the other hand, is quite
something. I have my complaints with it as well, but there is
definitely some truth to Levi's statement that difference between
Squeak and the likes of Eclipse are largely incremental.
Jacob Fugal
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