Bpa, I wish I knew you were going to reply so fast!! thanks! unfortunately I gave up and loaded 7.3.4 with Alien, I will test that tonight, if it also does not work. I will reload 7.5.1 and try exactly what you suggested and send you the logs. Many thanks indeed for being so prompt. I also read all your postings on replacing Alien ( most excellent postings). That still did not help. Could be something to do with the 64 bit systems.
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