On Sat, Jun 02, 2007 at 10:13:35PM -0400, The Editor wrote: > On 6/2/07, Sivakatirswami <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > PMwiki is all about collaboration. > > > > Set the code aside for a minute and look at the value system of what PM > > is doing and the way he goes at it and the high, positive level of > > cooperation among both naive users, naive admins and those who have PHP > > competency and working together... > > > > It is "beautiful to behold." > > Yes it can be beautiful, but sometimes it's not quite so. I came to > PmWiki knowing nothing about PHP, found the community exceptionally > helpful, and became incredibly excited about the software. And I dove > right into learning it, using it, and eventually developing it. Some > of my ideas may have been misguided, and my code was understandably > naive and immature. Still I gave the best I could to the community, > thankful for its generosity to me.
> Yet, for whatever reasons, I have repeatedly had my motives > challenged, my mistakes ridiculed, my ideas rejected out of hand, and > much more of the like. There were of course many others who encouraged > me, patiently answered my questions, collaborated on the code, and > expressed their appreciation for my efforts. Fortunately, these more > than made up for the others. The problem is, Dan, that in all your diving in, you have been continually stepping on people's toes with your complete lack of humility. It's all been "my stuff is the greatest, your stuff is crap, and anyone who doesn't agree with me is either an idiot, blind, hidebound, or malicious." PM has been patient with you. I've been patient with you, explaining your mistakes in private, hoping against hope that you would learn to behave better. But this is the last straw. I'm sick of being patient with you. Your mistakes ridiculed? I don't think they have been, but if they were, you were asking for it, with your "my stuff is the greatest thing since sliced bread" attitude. Your ideas rejected out of hand? People have explained (often more than once) why your ideas won't work, or why they would prefer something else. But no, it couldn't be because people have reasons, no, there has to be a conspiracy against you, does there? Are you the only one who has been "creative" and "challenging" in this community? That's what you're implying -- that we're all so hidebound that we can't stand new ideas. Not so! Just take a look at Ben Stallings' DataQuery[1] recipe (just to give one example) -- that's radical and different, to rip out the backend of PmWiki and put a database there -- but I don't see any hostility of the community towards it. Why? Because Ben knows how to behave as a good open source citizen. You aren't the first person to have written form-processing plugins (just look at WikiForms[2]), you aren't the first person to have suggested modifying skins from within the wiki (see SkinAlternative), yet you imply that you're the only one with "vision" -- bah! I wash my hands of you. We all stand on the shoulders of giants. Why don't you act like it for once? (1) http://www.pmwiki.org/wiki/Cookbook/DataQuery (2) http://www.pmwiki.org/wiki/Cookbook/WikiForms (3) http://www.pmwiki.org/wiki/Cookbook/SkinAlternative Kathryn Andersen -- _--_|\ | Kathryn Andersen <http://www.katspace.com> / \ | \_.--.*/ | GenFicCrit mailing list <http://www.katspace.com/gen_fic_crit/> v | ------------| Melbourne -> Victoria -> Australia -> Southern Hemisphere Maranatha! | -> Earth -> Sol -> Milky Way Galaxy -> Universe _______________________________________________ pmwiki-users mailing list [email protected] http://www.pmichaud.com/mailman/listinfo/pmwiki-users
