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I have to agree that I am not a fan of captcha, but for reasons that are different that the ones normally stated. While I am a fully-abled person, I often find the images that are used in captcha to be completely unreadable. It's very frustrating to have to go through a bunch of images to find one that I can actually read to type into a box, especially when I am just trying to leave a comment that should have only taken a few seconds.

Personally, I think Neil's openly accessible password list is a good idea. By having the passwords on a seperate page, that is formatted in such a way that automated parsing isn't easy should stop 90 percent or better of the attacks on the site.

If you wanted to take this a step further, you could put the passwords in images on the page, and offer an alternative page that has a text version for the visually impared.

By using a list like this, you could change the password(s) say once a month, or once a quarter, or if some bot starts trying to deface pages.

It's not a perfect solution, but it should be effective enough to stop a lot of the spam bot attacks, while still allowing Christian and others to maintain automated editing systems that are appropriate.

Just my 2 cents.

// George
On Thu, 10 Jan 2008, Simon wrote:

        libocacnoc

might be spam, although it makes no sense to me...

Whether or not it makes sense is not the point. The problem is that is rapidly impacts a lot of pages

Thinking some more on it, I don't think it is spam... Could be some kind of defacing, or preparations to spam/deace. Or, unfortunately and extremely unlikely, maybe some actually wants to put these "words" on wiki pages. I can't imagine why though. Maybe it's an alien and it makes sense to "it" ;-) .. or maybe it's a person that somehow has a good reason...

Generally speaking we _want_ everybody to be able to change the content. What is it that we don't want? For instance, we don't want:
* Spam * Content being destroyed
* Defacement
* ?

However, I don't think captchas is a proper solution as I think it is _valid_ that a script/program modifies a wiki page. A simple example of this is when I use Emacs to edit wiki pages (pmwiki-mode)... then it's Emacs rather than a browser that does the change. And within Emacs, it's easy for me (and _very_ useful) to create a macro that does a similiar modification to many pages... Introducing captchas would make this unpractical to say the least :-(

Maybe what we need is editorial control over certain pages instead?
Or perhaps that they are saved as drafts until someone (anyone?) approves the changes?

I don't have any solutions, just a caution that we don't introduce any captchas or similarly as a _permanent_ "solution".

Best regards,
Christian

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