Denying science and challenging a scientific theory are at exact opposites of the logic pole. There are global warming deniers just as there are Holocaust deniers and they are both wrong. The dominant environmental paradigm is that the extreme shift in climate is caused primarily by humans - specifically by capitalism. Now, we can't do away with capitalism altogether, although I would like to, we can mitigate the cause of global warming by reducing the green house effect by reducing the human cause. Unless you haven't noticed, there is a crisis and we better pay attention to it. (see article in TheCrypt - http://up-yours.us/)
>From up-yours, Hank Roth On Sun, 16 Sep 2007, rob_analog wrote: > The science of denying science is very well trained in those with > education in science. Acceptance of another's premise of science is > not acceptable! Without proof. It's a simple principal taught in > universities all over our country for those pursuing a bachelor of > science degree, but not for a liberal arts degree. Without assurance > of the science we use, a bridge will collapse under you, dumping your > ass and your Honda into a river. > > Proof that global warming is caused by pollution is not provable with > science, yet. The scientific consensus you speak of is just that. > Opinions based on evidence, but not proof.. You have joined the > popular alarmist emotional band wagon. Our contribution to global > warming is obvious, but is it as powerful as natural cycles of earth > and sun heating and cooling? Prove it to me, with numbers and real > science. > > R > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], adar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> >> Where is the science in denying science? The scientific consensus > is >> unanimous. The only people denying the human component are those > who are >> being paid off by the oil companies. What is really astounding is > that >> someone can still believe the right wing spinmeisters. >> >> (Check out other article in the Crypt on climate change: >> http://up-yours.us/crypt/ >> >> Hank >> >> On Sun, 9 Sep 2007, rob_analog wrote: >> >>> Finally, a bit of science, instead of emotional panic! I applaude >>> you. Earths warming and cooling cycles are well documented in > cores >>> drilled in the Artic. I have been suspicious for a while that > earths >>> natural cycles are causing global warming, not our man made > filth. I >>> don't excuse our disgusting abuse of the environment, but to > assume >>> that cleaning up our contribution to it will reverse global > warming >>> is naïve, and not based on good science. >>> >>> R >>> >>> >>> >>> --- In [email protected], "Fugly" <pranicmegan@> wrote: >>>> >>>> To both Andy McCracken and Warren .... >>>> >>>> My view on this is not based on this particular argument, but I > did >>>> like it :) HehHeh. And Warren you are right, chemistry is NOT my >>> area. >>>> Ive only read a little. >>>> >>>> However climatology IS my area. This is what I spent some time > on at >>>> Uni. And I loved it. Seems to me that the biggest factor by far, > as >>>> far as greenhouse gasses are concerned, is water vapour. Water >>> Vapour >>>> makes up 95% of all greenhouse gas. The % of human produced > carbon >>>> dioxide is under 1% of total volume of total greenhouse gas. YET > we >>>> are to believe that small % (I believe it is something like > 0.28%) >>> is >>>> responsible for the entire warming scenario. Remembering that >>>> greenhouse gasses themselves only account for a small fraction of >>> the >>>> whole atmosphere. So we are really talking 1% of 5%! >>>> >>>> When looking at temperature in climatology you always take into >>>> account the ambiant heat. That which is reflected back from the >>>> surface of the earth. Now with our modern love of concrete and >>>> asphalt, this ambiant temperature is high. So where's the outcry >>> about >>>> that contribution towards global warming? >>>> >>>> And for Andy McCracken ... um, YES the sun IS heating up. I dont >>> know >>>> where you got your information from. The sun has natural cycles, > and >>>> the short 11 year cycle may be on the last legs (ie cooling run) > but >>>> over all, the longer sun cycles are warming up. You gotta look at >>>> geological time to see properly what is happening. Mars is also >>>> heating up. And now we have more recent evidence that Jupiter is >>> also >>>> heating up. The suns temperature (and ours) can be directly >>> correlated >>>> to the amount of solar activity or sun spots. >>>> >>>> >>>> My view is that this is all a push by the Oil/Industrial Cartel, > as >>>> you know. Of course they have to pretend to be against it. But if >>> you >>>> sit back (that is think about it without getting emotional) you > can >>>> see where it is all going. >>>> >>>> They want you to pay top dollar for oil, hence the pretend 'oil >>>> crisis'. This earth has had the technology for decades (and > longer) >>>> for clean energy, but this has been hidden from the public. I >>> remember >>>> back in the early nineties when we first heard about the break >>> through >>>> with 'cold fusion'! Do you remember that? It was going to >>>> revolutionise the power industry! Where did that go? >>>> >>>> Back when the first cars were introduced, they were introduced in >>>> tandam, that is both in petrol/deisel AND an electric version. > THAT >>>> was way back when the first cars were made. Where did they go? > Why >>>> dont we hear about that anymore? >>>> >>>> These days there are many, many stories of inventions for clean >>>> energy. Where are they? Why dont we see any of them? >>>> http://www.waterpoweredcar.com/inventors.html >>>> >>>> And yeah there are rumors of this invention and that invention, > but >>>> not all of them will be fakes or duds. Where are they all and why >>> dont >>>> we see any of this technology? Then if you want to get into > the 'out >>>> there' area, you can ask 'what of the reverse engineered alien >>>> technology?' >>>> >>>> So in my view, this is all manufactured. The 'Problem' is >>>> manufactured. The public is being manipulated. The technology is >>>> there, its just being hidden. T'would seem from all the evidence >>> that >>>> it is one big scam. And the ones behind it? Well, cynical me > thinks >>>> that would be the ones aiming to subdue us all in global fascism. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> --- In [email protected], "Andy McCracken" <rasandy@> > wrote: >>>>> >>>>> It is because those people are right-wing, Bush is one of them, >>> and >>>> their >>>>> business model, particularly in the oil business, doesn't > include >>>> using less >>>>> oil and worrying about the environment. >>>>> The reasons why carbon dioxide warms the climate have been well >>>> understood >>>>> for a very long time, and the carbon dioxide levels are being >>>> increased by >>>>> all this burning that we do, so it will get warmer. If the sun >>> gets >>>> warmer >>>>> too, that will be extra heat on top of the co2 warming, but >>> luckily >>>> the sun >>>>> is not observed to be heating up. >>>>> You are right to be concerned about the media, particularly > since >>>> that is >>>>> where you seem to get these opinions from. It is well documented >>>> that Exxon >>>>> has paid consultants to put misleading information into the > media, >>>> and White >>>>> House minions have been editing official reports and threatening >>>> government >>>>> scientists with gagging orders. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >> > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
