Warren it would take a brain to understand that LOL
_____ From: [email protected] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of warren greer Sent: Monday, December 31, 2007 5:22 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [PNEWS-L] Re Info Wars, Fighting Fire with MORE Fire? For god's sake, donnella, get straight on where your ideology is coming. Do you think all Jews are descended from Shem, one man, and whomever he chose to impregnate? Daughters of Abraham? Are then the Jews the result of a couple of thousand years of incest between Shem and his sisters? They would all be idiots by now if this were true. And Ham? Did he go back to Egypt everytime he wanted heirs? Ham and Shem both were sons of the Hebrew patriarch at a time when everyone lived in tribal societies, and their differences were real estate, not your pitiful racist maunderings. I really doubt that the Hebrews came out of several hundred years of Egyptian slavery with any kind of "racial purity", unless the slaveholders of Egypt were very different from the slavers of the U.S.A. There are very few racially "pure" ex-slaves after just three hundred years of living under the lash of slavery, literal and sexual. How long were the Hebrew women slaves to the commands of the Egyptians? There are semites, (not semitics), and hamites, not hamitics. And they were all descended from that old horny Hebrew? I was raised in the segregated South of the U.S., and I recognize the twisted attempts at which the racists try to disguise their vicious anti-human racism. Just because there are racists on the other side of the argument, you are not excused for answering them with racist arguments. Jews I have known are the least racist people in general in the country. Where do you get off bringing shame to this tradition? Warren --- donnella whitacre <screenqwen1@ <mailto:screenqwen1%40yahoo.com> yahoo.com> wrote: > in the arab mind it is connecteed with jews who are > free to live and not be under dhimmi law. a huge > chunk of land? > i would think that 22 states which were given to > the arabs in 1918 and they agreed to this so the > jews could have a homeland, just like them is > enough. > they also got 80% of the mandate that was > originally suppose to be a jewish homeland. > the grabbing of land is just another excuse to > prolong this. > now they want not only jordan but a state in the > west bank, one in the gaza and a right of return to > over run israel. not only that but they want > jerusalem and the wailing wall. > 54 years later and the same song and dance. > when will it be enough? > from what i understand of the old story , the > arabs decend from ishmael who's mother is an > egyptian, his wife was an egyptian. by the laws then > they hare decendend from ham not shem. that makes > them hammites not semetics. > not that i care about the distinction but when you > try and say it can't be anti semetism because we > are all semits that is untrue, it most certainly can > be anti semetism. > several arab leaders have expressed the view that > they want the jews to come to israel because it just > makes it easier to kill t hem all , they don't have > to go looking for them. so it is also untrue that is > about zionism or just israeli jews. > these are all masks for the true objective > i really dont' see many people making the > distinction between jews and zionists when they > start hating jews. > > > Khaled Aly <[EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:ka.aly%40luxsci.net> net> wrote: > > There is antisemitism in the Middle East > and antisemitism in the West. > > But middle east peoples come alike from Semitic > origins: Sumerians, > Canaanites, Phoenicians, Assyrians, Israelites, > Arameans, Arabs, > Palestinians, Egyptians (South Semitic). If > antisemitism was the term > used to express unreasoned hatred for Jewish people > in non-Semitic > Caucasian or Arian Europe in the few centuries prior > to the 20th, I > don't understand why the term is applied to people > who are themselves > Semitic (though most wouldn't have a clue what is > Semitic anyways :). I > mean, is "Semitic" used to describe an ethnicity or > a political ideology. > > I think the term that associates with Arab-Israeli > conflict is Zionism > and not Semitism. There are Orthodox Jews in Europe > and the U.S. who > opposes the Zionist movement. In Arab minds, it is > associated with > claiming as large a chunk of "currently" Arab land > to build and expand > the state of greater Israel over such land (Nile to > Euphrates). I say > currently, because any association of an ethnicity > with a geographic > location is temporally variable. Take a look at East > European map over > just the past 15 years. Where gone the Soviets. And > who are those new > EU citizens whose writing resembles Russian! And how > come a trimmed > leaner Russia is evolving again. > > > As far as the Middle East > > goes I think that one of the main factors is the > gap in scientific > > accumplishment between Israel and the Arab world. > > > http://ptonline. <http://ptonline.aip.org/journals/doc/PHTOAD-ft/vol_60/iss_8/49_1.shtml> aip.org/journals/doc/PHTOAD-ft/vol_60/iss_8/49_1.shtml > > <http://ptonline. <http://ptonline.aip.org/journals/doc/PHTOAD-ft/vol_60/iss_8/49_1.shtml> aip.org/journals/doc/PHTOAD-ft/vol_60/iss_8/49_1.shtml> > > The article actually pronounced it. They had their > "dark ages" like > everybody else did. In the modern sense of a "nation > state," most Arab > and Islamic countries have become independent within > the past half > century. This measures nothing throughout history > cycles. A simple > answer could be again the emphasis on education. > Typically Arab > scientists (or those to be) were/are not nearly as > well funded as their > Western or Israeli counterparts. > > It's interesting to note that Arabs, in todays > definition (Gulf to > Ocean), make only about 20% of Moslem population. > Also, to note that the > majority of todays Arabs are not ethnically Arabs -- > but they are all > related societies who became Arabs upon their > Islamization. Turkey, > Iran, and most central Asian Moslem countries belong > to Indo-European > and Mongolian races. It is not such a bad idea to > get back to history to > figure out how the world has been evolving and > extrapolate on that. > > On another hand some non-Arab Moslem nations have > recently joined so > called tiger economies, such as Malaysia. I trust > that countries like > Egypt, Morocco, Tunisia may be on track within few > decades. Also Gulf > states in this particular era where the oil economy > model is beginning > to change. > > > Politicians talk about the est Bank, Jerusalem and > the Golan, all very > > relevant but I feel that this issue is the one > that overshadows > everything. > > These issues have exhausted Arab economy for the > past 40 years, > especially for east Mediterranean nations. I look at > the rise of > Egyptian economy after the mid seventies, when the > state of war was > over, and I see a rising economy; not without > inflation and other > problems of course. Another counter example, look at > Lebanon, probably > the most well-educated and prosperous among Arab > countries; and how it > has been torn apart many times due to the > surrounding problems resulting > mainly from the Palestinian problem and partly due > to its almost dozen > sects and cults itself. > > Ian Parker wrote: > > > > I must say I have not looked at the website in > detail. There is > > antisemitism > > in the Middle East and antisemitism in the West. > As far as the Middle East > > goes I think that one of the main factors is the > gap in scientific > > accumplishment between Israel and the Arab world. > > > > > http://ptonline. <http://ptonline.aip.org/journals/doc/PHTOAD-ft/vol_60/iss_8/49_1.shtml> aip.org/journals/doc/PHTOAD-ft/vol_60/iss_8/49_1.shtml > > > > <http://ptonline. <http://ptonline.aip.org/journals/doc/PHTOAD-ft/vol_60/iss_8/49_1.shtml> aip.org/journals/doc/PHTOAD-ft/vol_60/iss_8/49_1.shtml> > > > > Physics Today even talks about the growth of the > "cult of the victim". The > > Arabs are the "victims" of the Jews and the West. > I recently returned > > from a > > holiday in Syria. The fact that the fountains in > Damascus were dry > > struck a > > chord. It was autumn and the Sun was still hot. I > asked myself why they > > could not have an array of mirrors, a boiler and > desalination. Israel BTW > > makes some of the best desalination membranes. A > minor thing in the scheme > > of things but symptomatic of a failure to produce > practical innovative > > solutions. > > > > Politicians talk about the est Bank, Jerusalem and > the Golan, all very > > relevant but I feel that this issue is the one > that overshadows > > everything. > > Has anyone any ideas. > > > > - Ian Parker > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > > > > === message truncated === [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
