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Not arabs, Palestinians. Jerusalem, for one; the Hebrew made it "great," but it was founded by Caananites. All of Israel's most ancient cities predate the Hebrews, and there are many others that were destroyed by invaders, one group of which were the Hebrews. The arabs represent nothing more than another invading ethnicity, one that clearly fails to anticipate Hebrews in Israel by at least a thousand years, unless it is considered that both ethnicities derive from the same Arabian Peninsula stock. Of course, it has been noted that taken far enough back it might be claimed that we all are likely to have at least some "common stock." The essential Hebrew and Arab connection is, however, much closer than the Turk and Hebrew connection, or Slav and Hebrew connection, or Ethiopian and Hebrew connection, etc. There has been so much interbreeding in the Fertile Crescent and Arabian Peninsula over the course of the past 12 millennia that all of the indigenous groups are represented to some extent in all the others. To a varying degrees, the ethnic associations are represented by choices people have made, or have had forced on them, although in the majority of cases those choices may have occurred far enough back in the past that the memories are lost. In other words, good arguments can be made that all semitic people have as much right as any other group to more or less all of the Fertile Crescent, and perhaps the entire Arabian Peninsula as well given enough scope to the arguments being advanced. If the arguments are restricted to the past 10 or 100 years, the relative strengths of the territorial claims being discussed are a lot different than if the scope is taken to be 1,000 years, or 4,000 as some would have it. Not long ago i read in Haaretz about a popular idea, based in ancient history, among the more aggressive Jews living in the West Bank (and their supporters) that they use to claim, among other relatively remote places, Baghdad as their rightful abode. Sometime in the 800's the king of Kazan, which occupied roughly the same territory as Ukraine does today, converted to Judaism and compelled his people to do likewise. The traditional story is kind of interesting. He had a contest of sorts among representatives of all the religions he could think of. The idea was to see who could present the best case for their philosophy. The Rabbis won. That surely had as much to do with the Kazan king's personal disposition as anything else, but it's an intriguing story just the same. Hence, Ashkenazim are largely derived from individuals who converted to Judaism either through inspired choice (no value judgments on the inspiration assumed), or who succumbed while still living to royal inspiration. After a few hundred years, in particular considering the varied political fortunes of the territory, a considerable number of the habitual residents became more closely associated by their shared Judaism than anything else. It is often noted by Israelis that their culture and polity is dominated by the Ashkenazi, whose genetic claim to the Levant is far weaker than a Palestinian's, or even a random Arab's if the type of arguments presented by the more aggressive Jewish settlers are entertained. This is where my story has to stop. The preceding paragraphs are based on demonstrable history and physical evidence. Depending on persuasion, different people can make or break their chosen cases with it. If anyone were to ask my advice, i would encourage them to focus on means of peacefully resolving any conflicts in the interests of insuring that the venue survives the resolution process. Otherwise, what was the point? In a more general sense, if we annihilate ourselves it doesn't matter one way or the other who was "right." But whoever was "right," it certainly wouldn't be the ones who facilitated the annihilation. Peace, billy rainbow Hank Roth wrote: > http://pnews.org/ >Progressive News & Views (since 1982) > > >What city was founded (like Tel Aviv was founded by the Jews and Beersheva >was founded by the Hebrews or Safat by Jewish Kabbalists) by Arabs in what >is now Israel before there was Israel? > >HR > > >On Thu, 15 Jun 2006, billy rainbow wrote: > > > >>http://pnews.org/ >>Progressive News & Views (since 1982) >> >>Hank, et al., >>please accept my most sincere apologies for being rude and obnoxious. >>There really is no excuse for it. >> >>You have a number of worthy accomplishments to be proud of, and have >>done a lot of good for the world, although we might not agree in every >>instance on what that good might be. We all have our faults, and i have >>clearly indicated that mine are such that i have little justification >>for criticizing yours. >> >>i stand by the essence of my assertions regarding stolen land, but i >>concede that my arguments did not serve them. 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