On 3/12/06, Andrew C. Oliver <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> http://wiki.apache.org/jakarta/OneCommunityProposals
>
> There is a pretty active core (primarily out of the commons crowd) that
> want to remake Jarkarta in Commons's image (my perception).  Pretty
> radical but they go as far as even combining mail lists.  I don't think
> that would be healthy for us at all.  Regretfully I think we should
> discuss the merits of promotion to top level project status.

Andy's got the wrong end of the stick by the way.

There is one person pushing to remake Jakarta in Commons's image, and
that is me. What I'm really trying to do is tear down the failed
umbrella and come up with something new to live under the name
Jakarta, rather than just ending up with a day when I'm the last
person in the building and I turn the light off. I've posted on the
subproject for the last 3->6 months.

The rest of what you see is the Jakarta community at work - not an active core.

My general view is that we are all part of the Jakarta community. You
are Jakarta committers - not POI committers. That is how a healthy
project views itself. We're always going to be umbrella-like, but we
can be umbrella-like with a 1-tier depth, not a 4-tier depth (Jakarta
Commons Collections Subcomponent) is our potential max-depth - failing
that it's 3-tier depth.

> I plan to -1 any such radical measures.  If you're not on
> general@jakarta.apache.org list, then you may be like "Wha?  What is he
> talking about".  I sugest you join and potentially ask for a recap.

Please do join in - [EMAIL PROTECTED] is where the Jakarta community
discuss things, and you are Jakarta committers.

Andy says in a later email:

"I know most folks hate to mix it up there ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) and I
don't think you have to".

This is the main problem we have. If everybody is of this view, then
we are all committers for our subprojects and not Jakarta committers.
In that case - what is the point of Jakarta existing?

Hen

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