Good lord. This has happened every single time
I've seen a simple question asked: why should Palestinians pay for the crimes of
Europeans? How can Europeans (and other peoples) demand that Arabs,
Muslims and Christians in the Mideast accept a Zionist state, when they
themselves would violently resist the creation of such a state on their own
territories? Shouldn't those nations which were responsible for the
Holocaust pay the price of hosting, supporting and protecting the state of
Instead a getting a direct and reasonable answer to a
direct and perfectly reasonable question, I was accused of supporting Iranian
Islamists. When have I ever done anything but express the strongest
possible revulsion for the current Iranian government and Islamism in
general? I intensely dislike all forms of religious fundamentalism and
theocratic government. One of the reasons I opposed the Iraq War was
because it was obvious that it would radically shift the balance of power in the
Mideast in favor of Iran.
It's obvious that one of the core questions about the
legitimacy and fairness of Zionism simply can't be answered by anyone. But
that shouldn't stop any of us from exercising our analytical intelligence on the
implications of the failure to provide an answer. The implications are
quite probably going to be horrific for the Mideast and the entire
It is impossible to bully into submission a people who
feel from the bottom of their hearts, at the root of their being, and justly so,
by any objective measure, that they have been the victims of a terrible
injustice. The United States has been maneuvered by the Israel lobby into
supporting an indefensible project that may well lead to its own
ruination. The only remaining enthusiastic supporters of this venture are
neoconservatives and Christian Armageddonists who are eager to instigate the
destruction of the United States and the entire world as soon as possible.
George W. Bush is one of them.
Germany played a key role in setting these events in
motion. I seriously wonder if Germany shouldn't do the right thing and
offer to move the entire state of Israel to an equivalent territorial area
within its own borders. Until it sincerely makes such an offer, German
leaders have nothing useful to say about the march towards Armageddon in the
Mideast. Any kind of sermonizing and lecturing is especially
inappropriate, including that coming from the current pope.
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
how you mirror my words back to me. In a way it is a perfect
sign for the
fact that we will be moving in circles in this debate.
You: in insisting on
an answer I can't give and me: expressing
amazement that democrats support
the position of not so democratic
forces. And that is the basic problem I
have in this affair. I do not
like war, but have to live with the paradox
that I thank god the
Americans joined the Allied forces in WWII. Gave me a
chance to grow
up in a free country if you do not look to closely into
continuations of the basic structures and personnel.
What if I
do not like the propaganda of either side?
Doesn't it bother you a bit that
Ahmadinejad denies the Holocaust too?
Should I join the far-right to
support him? What if their position
makes me sick? Over here they
discovered Jesus as the ultimately
revolutionary force against the bad
utterly insincere. All they want is that
property belongs to Germans only.
How comes you support
democracy at home and someone like
Amadinejad In Iran? Or is it this the
position of a realist only?
Yes many people considered Zionism a
dangerous idea, including many
Jewish Germans like Leon Feuchtwanger. But
quite possibly he changed
his mind, when he realized the full scope of the
machinery. If the British army hadn't stopped Rommels
in El Alamein
we might not have the "problem"
fact that the diverse Protocol fictions of the 1920's feign a
the real Zionist congress in Basle doesn't makes things
penetrate. It's a simple fact that the Zionists were
right in deciding to
leave Germany early, as it is easy to understand
that some survivors went
there. And that they are all over the Arab
world including in soap opera
version, is just as frightening to me,
as the US-Israel scenario.
admit I am a bit confused on the issue, and it always depends on
perspective I take. If I think in long historical periods, I am
the Israeli side, since I can recognize recurring patterns.
Much feels very
familiar, with slight modifications. This obviously
does not help to
resolve the Palestinian crux.
If I look at the "now" only, I do not
like the separate listing of
antisemitic incidents, I would prefer to see a
database of all
incidents, against religious, racial or other groups
that is probably a vision for the future [???] and it really
need a democratic world. And from that point of view I would
Israel was just a Jewish/Arab state, but that you will admit is a
dream, and from a Zionist point of view it necessarily must be. See
Here in Germany you seem to be much more endangered as a
or African German, or as an asylum seeker for that matter. But
simply is no comparative database. And if I go to hard-right web
I have the impression, if they were given a chance this might
-Kraut de Cologne
Search the archives for political-research at http://www.terazen.com/
Subscribe to the RSS feed for political-research at http://rss.groups.yahoo.com/group/political-research/rss
YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS