Forgot option: f. "D'oh!" (I'm an idiot.) The email from which I was forwarding is not registered with this group, which is why they didn't go through, so I'm copying and pasting the email.
BTW, I left in the lengthy CC list so you can see who receives these emails (you'll probably recognize a lot more than I). But it's just a lot of flame wars and "take me off the list" emails, nothing productive really. ------------------------------------------------------------------- >From : Steve Jones <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent : July 27, 2006 6:31:04 PM To : "Gerard Holmgren" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> CC : "Rick Rajter" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Nico Haupt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Steven Jones" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Russell Pickering" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Rosalee Grable" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED], "Mark S Bilk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Billy Ruane" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "9/11 Alex James" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "9/11 Citizens Watch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "9/11 DIGITAL ARCHIVE" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "9/11 Don Stacey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "9/11 Greg Szymanski" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "9/11 Hal" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "9/11 Jim Marrs" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "9/11 John Doraemi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "9/11 John Lee" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "9/11 Laura Knight-Jadczyk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "9/11 melvang" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "9/11 Pastor Mike Treis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "9/11 res wilson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "9/11 REVALING THE TRUTH" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "9/11 Richard" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "9/11 Taking Aim" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "9/11 Wtcqd2000" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED], "Alex Constantine" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Alex Floume" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED], angiesept11 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, APFN <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED], "Barry Chamish" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, better_off_said <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], "brian mckenna" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Bruce Tanner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Carol Brouillet" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Cathy Garger" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "civl ecco" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED], !MCAC <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED], "Wayne Madsen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "w r" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Veronica Chapman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Ty Rauber" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Tim Canale" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED], "stu8340 Hawks" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Rob Newman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Rick Siegel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Richard Kane" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Richard Grove ((8th Estate Public Media))" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "President, USA Exile Govt." <[EMAIL PROTECTED] exile.org>, perpetualynquisitive <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Ozzy bin Oswald" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "morgan reynolds" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Monk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED], "Mia Hamel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "mary titus" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, malaprop <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Lynn Ertell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Lenny Bloom" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Kevin Barrett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Ken Jenkins" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Jimmy Walter" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Jackie Patru" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Geraldine Perry" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Fred Smart" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Fonebone <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED], "Dave Shaw" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], "Victor Thorn" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Daryl Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject : Re: Jones denies proof of demolition | | | Inbox This is just nuts! no wonder people stop saying anything to Gerard - - it gets misconstrued, turned around! No, no -- my comment was that at the time of my first public discussion of my 9/11 research, which was a Sept. 2005 seminar before faculty at BYU, I was not convinced that controlled demolition was PROVEN -- at that time. I called for an investigation. Now we have proceeded with an investigation, and the confluence of data -- particularly but not limited to the thermate data I have acquired -- prove compellingly that deliberate demolition did occur. What -- can someone prove that I was convinced already in Sept 2005 that demolition was proven? Nuts! Take me off the list. I seek for honest discussion, not misconstruing my statements left and right. STeven Jones On 7/26/06, Gerard Holmgren <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: So there we have it. Our demolition hero, Steven Jones denies that any single one or any combination of the following points proves demolition. 1. The free fall speed 2. That burning jet fuel cannot melt steel 3. That the original claim was that the steel melted, and after this was ridiculed, the official story was changed and they now deny that they ever claimed it. 4. The pulverization of the concrete. 5. That asymmetrical damage cannot cause a symmetrical collapse over that distance. 6. That no steel framed skyscraper has ever before collapsed in such a manner. 7.That there is no evidence of a hot fire 8. The resistance paradox - an even stronger proof than free fall by itself. 9. The WTC squib footage. So now it is on the record. Steven Jones allies himself with Eagar et al in denying that these points prove a demolition. That for four years we have all been talking bullshit and making exaggerated and unsustainable claims. Funny thing though. Since this crap does not prove demolition in Jones' view it's rather curious that these are what Jones chose to emphasize when making a media star of himself. How irresponsible ! Presenting unproven crap as the evidence ! For example, on the Tucker Carlson show, didn't he try to show the WTC 7 footage, and make a big deal of not being able to show it ? Why ? When it didn't prove anything ! And not only that. Check these claims on his behalf quoted and referenced in my article "Scholars for 911plagiarism and disinformation " http://members.iinet.net.au/~holmgren/scholars.html [[[[Their [the scholars ]*own physics research* (my emphasis) has established that only controlled demolitions are consistent with the near-gravity speed of fall and virtually symmetrical collapse of all three of the WTC buildings. While turning concrete into very fine dust, they fell straight-down into their own footprints. ]] Hang on ! Three points which Jones just told us do *not* prove demolition! And admitted to us were *not* [[ own physics research ]] And it doesn't end there. Here are some extracts for the bullet points of "their own physics research". " the melting point of structural steel is 2,750 degrees Fahrenheit and the temperature of jet fuel does not exceed 1,800 degrees." Hang on didn't he just admit to us that this was *not* his [[own physics research ]]? And that it does *not* prove demolition ? " Building WTC7 collapsed in 6.6 seconds, which means, Jones says, that the steel and concrete support had to be simply knocked out of the way. "Explosive demolitions are like that," he said. "It doesn't fit the model of the fire-induced pancake collapse." Ditto ! " No steel-frame, high-rise buildings have ever before or since been brought down due to fires. Temperatures due to fire don't get hot enough for buildings to collapse, he says." Ditto ! Ditto, ditto, ditto, ditto and ditto ! And Bingo ! Folks, we just caught ourselves a spook. What shall we do with him ? 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