What constitutes the working class Gaar? On Sep 14, 6:23 pm, Gaar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Bullshit. > > The "Working Class" on the U.S. FAR outdo the rest of the World. > > And yet YOU cannot grasp why that is... > > On Sep 14, 12:46 am, Frank <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > You are a hopeless case. First of all you were referring to the aid > > given by the US. You never speak in terms of the working class. > > Secondly the working class in every country is far more generous than > > their governments, my point precisely. The working-class lept to the > > aid of their fellow man when the tsunamis in 2004 hit, the same in New > > Orleans or any other disaster you can name.Governments were at pains > > to act, indifferent to the suffering of those they supposedly > > represent, it was the workers who responded immediately and it is the > > workers that will clear rid the world of this shit created by the > > criminals you prostrate yourself to as their blind faithful servant. > > > On Sep 14, 2:03 pm, Gaar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > You obviously don't understand that our PRIVATE Giving exceeds our > > > Governmental giving... > > > > No surprise coming from a "Socialist/Communist". > > > > On Sep 13, 7:19 pm, Frank <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > It is the most giving nation that demands that aid is spent on > > > > American product where possible, even when they are much more > > > > expensive than other sources. It is called tied aid. America receives > > > > over eighty cents return on every dollar they give in tied aid. > > > > Australia is 69 cent, not far behind. 32% of all USA goes to Israel, > > > > over which half Israel spends on weapons, no doubt as part of the > > > > deal. > > > > > On Sep 14, 11:58 am, Gaar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > I would also add that, the History of which you speak is missing a few > > > > > things... > > > > > > The U.S. is the Wealthiest Nation on Earth, as well as the most GIVING > > > > > Nation on Earth, bar none. > > > > > > How do you suppose that happened? > > > > > > On Sep 13, 6:50 pm, Frank <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > The real power of US capitalism was experienced after the industrial > > > > > > revolution where it was at its height from the beginning of the 20th > > > > > > century replacing Britain as the world's dominant power. The > > > > > > begining > > > > > > of the delcine of US capitalism was marked by the defeat of the > > > > > > Vietnam war and the the removal of the gold backing from the US > > > > > > dollar, which by the begining of the 80's had turned America from he > > > > > > world's biggest creditor nation to the world's biggest debtor > > > > > > nation. > > > > > > From this point the living standards and the economy have continurd > > > > > > unabated, while reckless militarism has been used to attempt to halt > > > > > > this decline. > > > > > > > I am not interested in rhetoric. These economic and social factors > > > > > > are > > > > > > well documented by hundreds if not thousands of capitalist studies. > > > > > > We > > > > > > don't make up figures we use yours. > > > > > > > Has the living standards declined over the last 3 decades? Yes, > > > > > > dramatically. The polarization of wealth is equal to that of the > > > > > > Great > > > > > > depression. Is the financial system in crisis? Yes, biggest losses > > > > > > have been incurred since the great depression. > > > > > > > This is fact, that your own economists do not dispute > > > > > > > It not a competition as to who is right or wrong, or a matter of > > > > > > ant- > > > > > > Americanism. I am not ant- American. My criticisms are of the system > > > > > > and the regime, not the people of the US. it the ability to be > > > > > > objective and act accordingly. I was a Labor voter in 2000. I saw > > > > > > problems, I looked for answers. > > > > > > > On Sep 14, 10:48 am, Gaar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > American Capitalism has been suceeding for over 230 YEARS... > > > > > > > > And continues to, despite your ignorant rhetoric. > > > > > > > > Imagine that. > > > > > > > > On Sep 13, 5:45 pm, Frank <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > The expected non specific apolitical rebuttal of those with no > > > > > > > > answers > > > > > > > > of the failure of American capitalism. > > > > > > > > > On Sep 14, 4:03 am, Gaar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Maybe you should tyr and start with something a bit smaller, > > > > > > > > > like > > > > > > > > > Australia your Home Country, and let us know how it goes for > > > > > > > > > you there > > > > > > > > > first?!?!?!? > > > > > > > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > > > On Sep 13, 2:07 am, Frank <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Reject Obama and McCain! Support the socialist alternative > > > > > > > > > > in 2008! > > > > > > > > > > Build the Socialist Equality Party! > > > > > > > > > > Statement of the Socialist Equality Party wsws.org > > > > > > > > > > 13 September 2008 > > > > > > > > > > > The Socialist Equality Party announces today that it has > > > > > > > > > > selected > > > > > > > > > > Jerome White and Bill Van Auken as president and vice > > > > > > > > > > president in the > > > > > > > > > > 2008 US elections. White, 49, and Van Auken, 58, have > > > > > > > > > > decades of > > > > > > > > > > experience in the socialist movement and the struggles of > > > > > > > > > > the working > > > > > > > > > > class. They are both regular writers for the World > > > > > > > > > > Socialist Web Site. > > > > > > > > > > > Between now and Election Day, the SEP will make the case for > > > > > > > > > > socialism. It will explain the necessity for and encourage > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > development of mass popular struggles against capitalism and > > > > > > > > > > militarism. The SEP will point out that the fundamental > > > > > > > > > > issues facing > > > > > > > > > > working people—economic crisis, social inequality, war, and > > > > > > > > > > attacks on > > > > > > > > > > democratic rights—can be addressed only through a break > > > > > > > > > > with the > > > > > > > > > > Democrats and Republicans, the corporate-controlled parties > > > > > > > > > > of big > > > > > > > > > > business. The SEP will call on American workers to reject > > > > > > > > > > the national > > > > > > > > > > chauvinism promoted by these pro-imperialist parties and > > > > > > > > > > embrace a > > > > > > > > > > program of international working class solidarity. > > > > > > > > > > > White and Van Auken will explain that there is no solution > > > > > > > > > > to the > > > > > > > > > > crisis of American society within the framework of > > > > > > > > > > capitalism. The SEP > > > > > > > > > > calls for the reorganization of economic life along > > > > > > > > > > socialist lines. > > > > > > > > > > The satisfaction of human and social needs, not the drive > > > > > > > > > > for profit > > > > > > > > > > and the accumulation of the personal wealth of the richest > > > > > > > > > > one percent > > > > > > > > > > of Americans, must be the goal of economic policy. > > > > > > > > > > Capitalist private > > > > > > > > > > ownership of the productive forces of society and the > > > > > > > > > > dictatorship of > > > > > > > > > > the corporate oligarchy must be replaced with a socialist > > > > > > > > > > system, > > > > > > > > > > based on public ownership and popular democratic control > > > > > > > > > > over the main > > > > > > > > > > productive forces and resources. > > > > > > > > > > > The SEP issues the following warning: Neither the Democrats > > > > > > > > > > nor > > > > > > > > > > Republicans are presenting to the working class their real > > > > > > > > > > programs— > > > > > > > > > > that is, what they intend to do after Election Day. Neither > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > Democratic nor Republican candidate cares to acknowledge > > > > > > > > > > that this > > > > > > > > > > election campaign is being conducted in the midst of the > > > > > > > > > > most serious > > > > > > > > > > economic crisis of world capitalism since the Great > > > > > > > > > > Depression of the > > > > > > > > > > 1930s. > > > > > > > > > > > But the corporate and financial elite knows full well that > > > > > > > > > > the next > > > > > > > > > > president—regardless whether his name is McCain or > > > > > > > > > > Obama—will almost > > > > > > > > > > immediately escalate attacks on the American and > > > > > > > > > > international working > > > > > > > > > > class. The next administration will drive up unemployment, > > > > > > > > > > slash > > > > > > > > > > expenditures for desperately needed social programs, > > > > > > > > > > support the > > > > > > > > > > attacks of the corporations on wage levels and working > > > > > > > > > > conditions, and > > > > > > > > > > intensify government suppression of democratic rights. A > > > > > > > > > > President > > > > > > > > > > McCain or Obama will pursue the reckless militarist agenda > > > > > > > > > > of the > > > > > > > > > > Pentagon and seek the reintroduction of the draft to > > > > > > > > > > provide human > > > > > > > > > > cannon fodder for the wars now being planned in secret. > > > > > > > > > > > Unambiguously and irreconcilably opposed to imperialism and > > > > > > > > > > all forms > > > > > > > > > > of national chauvinism, the SEP campaign is directed to the > > > > > > > > > > American > > > > > > > > > > and international working class. All over the world, > > > > > > > > > > working people > > > > > > > > > > are following with intense interest the unfolding of the > > > > > > > > > > election > > > > > > > > > > campaign. They know that their fates are tied directly to > > > > > > > > > > what happens > > > > > > > > > > in the United States. > > > > > > > > > > > After eight bloody years of the Bush administration’s > > > > > > > > > > fraudulent, > > > > > > > > > > criminal and sadistic “war on terror”—that is, the drive to > > > > > > > > > > establish > > > > > > > > > > American control over the world’s oil and energy > > > > > > > > > > resources—people all > > > > > > > > > > over the world are hoping that the elections bring an end > > > > > > > > > > to US- > > > > > > > > > > sponsored violence and aggression. They have been led to > > > > > > > > > > believe by > > > > > > > > > > the media in their own countries that the election of > > > > > > > > > > Obama, the first > > > > > > > > > > African-American to receive the presidential nomination of > > > > > > > > > > one of the > > > > > > > > > > two major capitalist parties, would herald a decisive shift > > > > > > > > > > in the > > > > > > > > > > foreign policy of the United States. > > > > > > > > > > > It is the responsibility of the SEP campaign to refute this > > > > > > > > > > complacent > > > > > > > > > > and dangerous illusion. If he is elected, Obama will pursue > > > > > > > > > > the global > > > > > > > > > > imperialist interests of the American ruling class no less > > > > > > > > > > ruthlessly > > > > > > > > > > than Bush. The “war on terror” will be escalated. > > ... > > read more » --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. 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