Sorry $53 trillion are the figures supplied by the Fed Bureau of Statisics, as is the debt ratios of 1929 and 2008. Ask Professor Nouriel Rubini and George Soros, they have both substantiated these figures. Go to this website and have a good cry because the US is finished. http://mwhodges.home.att.net/nat-debt/debt-nat.htm. And the $4 billion is 100% correct, mainly in the form of treasury bonds of which China has over one trillion dollars worth.
I don't make up figures, I use the ones your government supplies that you arent even aware of, because you waste your time on inane threads about Joe the Plumber I don't know what you are talking about Gaar, you have already conceded these figures are correct. “Measure of America” report documents social decay of the United States US ranks 42nd in life expectancy (life expectancy, not standard of living, my mistake) "In terms of the human development index, the United States has fallen from second place in 1990 (behind Canada) to 12th place. This decline continued through both the Clinton and Bush administrations, with the US falling to sixth in 1995, ninth in 2000, and 12th in 2005. In certain respects, the decline is even worse. The US is 34th in infant mortality—with a level comparable to Croatia, Estonia, Poland and Cuba. US school children perform significantly below their counterparts in countries like Canada, France, Germany and Japan, and 14 percent of the population, some 40 million people, lack basic literacy and number skills. Of the world’s 30 richest nations, which comprise the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development (OECD), the United States has the highest proportion of children living in poverty, 15 percent, and the most people in prison, both in absolute numbers and as a percentage of the whole population. With five percent of the world’s population, the US has 24 percent of the world’s prisoners." http://www.wsws.org/articles/2008/jul2008/usde-j19.shtml When you have finished there you can learn some more about the country you live in 16 October 2008 "Working Poor" report: Nearly 30 percent of US families subsist on poverty wages 27 September 2008 California: foreclosures and homeless on the rise 24 September 2008 As economic crisis deepens, rich get richer Forbes publishes list of 400 wealthiest Americans 18 September 2008 US: Unemployment and poverty grip New York State 30 August 2008 Three years since Hurricane Katrina 27 August 2008 Census report shows rising poverty in US 4 August 2008 The politics of community service in the US 28 July 2008 Bush administration seeking to block regulation of workplace toxins 23 July 2008 Bush: 'Human life is precious'--EPA: 'Less than you might think' 21 July 2008 Four workers dead in Texas crane disaster 19 July 2008 “Measure of America” report documents social decay of the United States US ranks 42nd in life expectancy 18 July 2008 "Equality is not good" Barney Frank and the putrefaction of American liberalism 9 July 2008 Chicago families face mounting economic hardship 25 June 2008 US housing figures and other data: A picture of rapidly growing social misery 23 June 2008 Flooding in US Midwest: A disaster created by capitalism 19 June 2008 New York City spends $2 billion on stadiums while slashing public funds 18 June 2008 US: Officials warn of more levee breaks as Midwest flooding spreads 17 June 2008 US: CEO pay sets new record as economy tanks 16 June 2008 Kids Count report Living conditions worsen for US children 14 June 2008 Six workers killed in construction of Las Vegas "CityCemetery" 9 June 2008 US: FEMA trailers caused at least 17,000 illnesses among Katrina survivors 6 June 2008 Record numbers using food stamps in Ohio, Michigan 29 May 2008 Sharp increase in mental illness among US troops during 2007 17 April 2008 In midst of recession, multi-billion-dollar paydays for US hedge fund managers 10 April 2008 Despite spreading recession, US CEOs rake in huge pay raises 7 April 2008 Ten die in western Pennsylvania house fire Gas had been cut off since May 2005 Hundreds of homeless forcibly evicted from Southern California refuge 2 April 2008 US food stamp use projected to swell to record levels 27 March 2008 Washington again forecasts ruin for Medicare and Social Security 26 March 2008 Social inequality leads to gap in US life expectancy http://www.wsws.org/sections/category/news/ineq-us.shtml On Oct 18, 2:24 pm, "d.b.baker" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > And you call this "debate"? It's pure propaganda:"53 trillion, 4 > billion, Cuba, 1929"? > > At least wait until we reach 25% unemployment (1929) before you hit > the happy button. > > Meanwhile, you're spitting in the Marxist wind. > > On Oct 17, 10:38 pm, "\"Lone Wolf\"" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > Internationall money flows into America to keep it from collapsing. > > The US requires $4 billion a day in direct capital injection into its > > economy or it will tank. America's total debt is 53 trillion dollars, > > that is business, government and private combined. Last year US total > > debt increased by 5.5 GDP. > > > In 1929 US trade deficit was 150% of GDP, now it is 300% of GDP. US > > debt is greater than the rest of the world's combined. > > > The US is bleeding to death > > > The industrial might the US was built upon, especially the steel and > > car industry are vitually non existant, while the US is now the > > polarizared nation on earth. > > > The success story of capitalism, no industry, no decent jobs, record > > wealth polarization and the world's richest nation as number 42 in > > living standards behind Cuba (that is not socialist by any means). If > > you call that a success I would hate to think what you consider a > > failure. > > > The US is finished as a world power. > > > On Oct 18, 9:41 am, Kamakazee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Economic reality? Not quite, look globally. Most economies, > > > particuarly those in Europe (and even Asia), are tanking. Now look at > > > where the international money (i.e., the strength of currency) is > > > flowing, into the US. The dollar is hitting recent highs. > > > > Sure, things are bad, but comparatively, the international money is > > > that the US economy will do better than the rest. > > > > Socialism? Not even close, if anything we'll prove capitalism > > > triumphs (again) > > > > On Oct 17, 5:30 pm, "\"Lone Wolf\"" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > Here is something to get your teeth into, you know, economic reality, > > > > that's more important than anything else. > > > > > Go to Bllomberg and learn something. Oh that's right, Joe the plumber > > > > is the new financial adviser for the US. Well he can hardly do worse > > > > can he? > > > > > •U.S. Stocks Drop as Housing, Confidence Data Offset Buffett Advice to > > > > Buy > > > > > •Consumer Confidence in U.S. Falls Most on Record; Housing Starts > > > > Decline > > > > > •Lehman Is Subject of Three Grand Jury Probes After Largest-Ever > > > > Bankruptcy > > > > > •AIG Told to Hand Over Cassano Pay Data, Documents to Congressional > > > > Panel > > > > > The US corporate crooks and the administration are so screwed, they > > > > are all going to jail, the real American people have had it up to the > > > > eyeballs with these reprobates. > > > > > Socialist America--just around the corner.- Hide quoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. 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