Jefferson would be like most critical thinking common sense Americans and demand that as a Nation and a society, we severely restrict Islam, and most definitely curtail the influx/invasion of Muslims, until such time as it reforms in the New Millennium.
On Thu, Jun 2, 2016 at 4:44 PM, plainolamerican <[email protected]> wrote: > Jefferson, who fought against the likes of islamophobic xian puke David > Barton and WND, would be appalled by the title and use of the word islam > instead of pirate. > > *The Jefferson Lies* withdrawn from publication[edit > <https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=David_Barton_(author)&action=edit§ion=8&editintro=Template:BLP_editintro> > ] > > In 2012, Barton's *New York Times* bestseller[62] > <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Barton_(author)#cite_note-62> *The > Jefferson Lies: Exposing the Myths You've Always Believed About Thomas > Jefferson* (published April 10, 2012)[63] > <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Barton_(author)#cite_note-63> was > voted "the least credible history book in print" by the users of the History > News Network <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_News_Network> website. > [22] > <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Barton_(author)#cite_note-Schuessler-22> > A > group of 10 conservative Christian professors reviewed the work and > reported negatively on its claims, saying that Barton has misstated facts > about Jefferson.[58] > <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Barton_(author)#cite_note-Kidd2012-58> > [64] <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Barton_(author)#cite_note-64> > > On Thursday, June 2, 2016 at 3:28:20 PM UTC-5, KeithInTampa wrote: > >> >> THOMAS JEFFERSON CRUSHED MUSLIM TERRORISTSHistorian: 3rd president >> offers lessons for confronting militant IslamPublished: 01/11/2016 at >> 8:40 PM >> >> http://www.wnd.com/2016/01/tough-guy-thomas-jefferson-crushed-muslim-terrorists/#RHVxcHEl2gkWiKrC.99 >> <http://www.google.com/url?q=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.wnd.com%2F2016%2F01%2Ftough-guy-thomas-jefferson-crushed-muslim-terrorists%2F%23RHVxcHEl2gkWiKrC.99&sa=D&sntz=1&usg=AFQjCNGIKsYXsTwJjRMvKp6ACC4HDE3-iQ> >> >> While Muslim terrorists kidnapped and killed innocent people around the >> world as they do today, Thomas Jefferson knew exactly how to end radical >> Islam’s bloodshed – with a classic American take-no-prisoners smackdown. >> >> President Jefferson refused to play games when given the choice of >> appeasement or confrontation in the face of terror. >> >> Historian David Barton told WND Jefferson led America’s first war against >> radical Islam. And the author of the newly released expanded edition of the >> bestselling book, “The Jefferson Lies” >> <http://www.wnd.com/2016/01/shocking-truth-about-jefferson-4-95-today-only/> >> sees >> many parallels between the young republic’s struggle against the Barbary >> Pirates and the West’s current war against Muslim terrorists. >> >> “The one thing Thomas Jefferson showed throughout his life is that he was >> diligent about and intolerant of violations of individual rights,” Barton >> said. “Jefferson was very clear that our people and property were entitled >> to protection wherever they go. And he was just as diligent to protect >> American rights in Europe and on the high seas as he was within America.” >> >> *“The Jefferson Lies” tackles seven myths about Thomas Jefferson head-on. >> Get the blockbuster book so politically incorrect, the original publisher >> pulled it from shelves!* >> <http://www.wnd.com/2013/05/shocking-truth-about-jefferson-4-95-today-only/> >> >> During the period of the American Revolution and the early republic, >> American merchants and sailors were under constant threat from North >> African pirates from the Muslim powers known as the Barbary States. More >> than one million Europeans were captured and enslaved by Muslim raiders >> between the 16th and 18th centuries. One village in Ireland, Baltimore, >> was famously sacked and entirely depopulated by slavers. >> >> image: >> http://www.wnd.com/files/2016/01/Thomas-Jefferson-portrait-243x300.jpg >> [image: Thomas-Jefferson-portrait] >> >> Thomas Jefferson >> >> Jefferson was well acquainted with this history. In Jefferson’s initial >> draft of the Declaration of Independence, he criticized the “Christian king >> of Great Britain” for engaging in slavery, which he termed “this piratical >> warfare, the opprobrium of infidel powers.” As the late Christopher >> Hitchens observed, >> <http://www.city-journal.org/html/17_2_urbanities-thomas_jefferson.html> “The >> allusion to Barbary practice seem[s] inescapable.” >> >> But Jefferson also had firsthand experience with the motivations of >> Islamic slavers. While in London, Jefferson and John Adams spoke to the >> ambassador from Tripoli, Abd Al-Rahman, and questioned him on why the >> Barbary pirates thought they should war upon a nation that had never done >> them any harm. >> >> The Muslim ambassador’s response was, >> <http://www.wnd.com/2015/02/u-s-at-war-with-islam-since-thomas-jeffersons-time/> >> “It >> was … written in their Quran, that all nations who should not have >> acknowledged Islam’s authority were sinners, that it was their … duty to >> make war upon them … and to make slaves of all they could take as >> prisoners.” >> >> Barton argues it was this shocking response that drove both Adams and >> Jefferson to seek out their own copies of the Islamic holy book. >> >> “They both individually wanted to know,” Barton said. “They were not >> placated by platitudes from one side or the other. They wanted to see for >> themselves. For them, it was a self-evident fact that when you read the >> Quran, you’ll see why they behave the way they do.” >> >> However, Adams and Jefferson had a fundamental disagreement about how to >> respond to this problem of Islamic terrorism. >> >> “John Adams, as president, refused to use the navy to fight the pirates >> because he knew if we got involved in a conflict with radical Islam, it >> would be on going for years,” Barton said. “He thought the American people >> had no stomach for it.” >> >> image: http://www.wnd.com/files/2016/01/barbary-pirate-painting.jpg >> [image: "A Barbary Pirate" by Pier Francesco Mola, 1650] >> >> “A Barbary Pirate” by Pier Francesco Mola, 1650 >> >> In contrast, Barton said Jefferson’s long experience of dealing with the >> Barbary pirates as secretary of state under George Washington and as vice >> president under Adams led him to a different approach. >> >> “Jefferson’s attitude is that he would put an end to this kind of >> terrorism because had seen the country dealing with it for many years,” >> Barton explained. “He had seen Americans dealing with it for 15 years.” >> >> While Adams thought America simply could not afford a war, Jefferson >> demanded the United States cease paying the tribute demanded by the Barbary >> States. >> >> *“The Jefferson Lies” tackles seven myths about Thomas Jefferson head-on. >> Get the blockbuster book so politically incorrect, the original publisher >> pulled it from shelves!* >> <http://www.wnd.com/2013/05/shocking-truth-about-jefferson-4-95-today-only/> >> >> When Jefferson became president in 1801, the ruler of Tripoli demanded >> tribute, which Jefferson refused. The result was the First Barbary War. >> >> American forces suffered a setback when the U.S.S. Philadelphia ran >> aground and the crew was captured. However, Stephen Decatur became an >> American hero when he led an effort to burn the ship so the Mussulmen, as >> they were then called, couldn’t use it. >> >> Eventually, American forces were able to capture territory in the area >> and force a peace treaty, which freed the captured crew. The victories of >> these early American armed forces are immortalized by a stanza of the >> “Marines’ Hymn” which refers to the “shores of Tripoli.” >> >> However, as Barton noted, this conflict did not end the threat to the >> United States. Within only a few years of the treaty ending the war, the >> Barbary pirates were once again raiding American ships. It would ultimately >> fall to a different American president, Jefferson fellow Virginian James >> Madison, to preside over a Second Barbary War that would ultimately end the >> American payments to the Islamic corsairs of North Africa. >> >> Barton said Adams was right about the expense and time required to >> confront Islamic piracy. However, ultimately the problem was stopped when >> the United States was able to inflict a high enough cost to force >> aggressive Muslims to back down. If the United States had followed the >> European practice of simply paying off the Islamic attackers, the problem >> could have continued indefinitely. >> >> Today, Barton sees a similar pattern at work, especially when it comes to >> the aggressive behavior of Muslim migrants >> <http://www.wnd.com/2016/01/world-refuses-to-blame-islam-for-rapes-violent-attacks/> >> in >> Europe. Barton points to the mass sexual assault of German women by Muslim >> men in the shadow of the Cologne Cathedral as part of a Muslim penchant for >> desecration. >> >> “I’ve been to Israel a number of times, and one thing I’ve noticed is >> that every time there is a biblical site, the Muslims have to mark it in >> some way,” Barton said. “Whether it is to put a mosque there or desecrate >> it in some way, it has been their nature to act like a dog marking >> territory. They’ve done it with Buddhist symbols. They’ve done it with >> Hindu symbols, and they are particularly eager to do it with Christian or >> Jewish symbols. On the holiest of holies, they’ve built a mosque. This is >> just part of the desecration of what they do.” >> >> Barton argues this aggressive behavior needs to be confronted. >> >> “They take places that are holy to everyone else and work very hard to >> create outrage and desecration on those sites,” he said. “The thinking that >> says that is a good thing to do is something that should never be welcomed >> in the world, for any religion.” >> >> image: http://www.wnd.com/files/2016/01/Barbary-pirates-painting2.jpg >> [image: The burning of the Philadelphia in Tripoli Harbor, an act that >> caused the American offensive against the Barbary Pirates. (Painting from >> the Mariners’ Museum collection)] >> >> The burning of the Philadelphia in Tripoli Harbor, an act that caused the >> American offensive against the Barbary Pirates. (Painting from the >> Mariners’ Museum collection) >> >> Barton said contemporary Europeans could learn a lesson from Thomas >> Jefferson. He equates current Western appeasement with efforts by Europeans >> of the 18th century to pay off the Barbary pirates instead of >> confronting them. >> >> “The willingness to bend over backward and placate the enemy in the hopes >> they will bring peace is exactly what drove Europe in dealing with the >> Barbary pirates,” charged Barton. >> >> Barton said efforts by German authorities >> <http://www.wnd.com/2015/12/germany-covering-up-crimes-committed-by-migrants/> >> to >> conceal crimes committed by Muslims is appeasement. He also believes there >> are similar efforts throughout Europe as well as the growth of “no-go >> zones,” >> <http://www.wnd.com/2015/01/islam-experts-no-go-zones-looming-for-america/>where >> Islamic radicals hold sway. >> >> “Across Europe, you find the desire to placate rather than confront,” >> Barton stated. “You find the desire to limit our own rights rather than >> secure our rights. And this is exactly what was happening in Europe 200 >> years ago. This is just the modern version, the round two, of what we saw >> in Jefferson’s first ‘War on Terrorism.'” >> >> Barton believes there are potential political and military leaders ready >> to take up Jefferson’s challenge of confronting terrorism rather than >> placating it. He also thinks the United States has the capability to >> destroy Islamic radicalism. >> >> Barton observed: “The willingness to use force and inflict casualties is >> the kind of attitude it will take to answer this challenge because >> historically, that’s the kind of attitude that will make the Muslims say, >> ‘The price for us is too high to pay. We’ll back off and leave you guys >> alone.’ Unfortunately, even if we do that, Muslims may not necessarily >> leave the others guys alone.” >> >> However, as in Jefferson’s day, the real question is whether the United >> States has the moral and economic strength to confront Islamic radicalism. >> As John Adams argued so many years ago, it’s an open question whether the >> United States has the stomach for a long conflict. >> >> Barton said in its essence, the problem is the same as that which faced >> Jefferson. >> >> “It’s a question of will,” he said. >> >> * “The Jefferson Lies” tackles seven myths about Thomas Jefferson >> head-on. Get the blockbuster book so politically incorrect, the original >> publisher pulled it from shelves!* >> <http://www.wnd.com/2013/05/shocking-truth-about-jefferson-4-95-today-only/> >> >> >> >> On Thu, Jun 2, 2016 at 4:00 PM, plainolamerican <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >>> Don't confuse Jefferson's war with pirates with a war on islam. >>> Thomas Jefferson explained that the Virginia Statue for Religious >>> Freedom that he wrote was designed to protect all faiths — and I'm quoting >>> Thomas Jefferson now — 'the Jew and the gentile, the Christian and the >>> Mahometan.'" >>> . The rancorous public dispute concerning the inclusion of Muslims, for >>> which principle Jefferson’s political foes would vilify him to the end of >>> his life, thus became decisive in the Founders’ ultimate judgment not to >>> establish a Protestant nation. >>> >>> Excerpted from "Thomas Jefferson's Qur'an" >>> <http://www.amazon.com/dp/0307268225/?tag=saloncom08-20> >>> >>> At a time when most Americans were uninformed, misinformed, or simply >>> afraid of Islam, Thomas Jefferson imagined Muslims as future citizens of >>> his new nation. His engagement with the faith began with the purchase of a >>> Qur’an eleven years before he wrote the Declaration of Independence. >>> Jefferson’s Qur’an survives still in the Library of Congress, serving as a >>> symbol of his and early America’s complex relationship with Islam and its >>> adherents. That relationship remains of signal importance to this day. >>> >>> That he owned a Qur’an reveals Jefferson’s interest in the Islamic >>> religion, but it does not explain his support for the rights of Muslims. >>> Jefferson first read about Muslim “civil rights” in the work of one of his >>> intellectual heroes: the seventeenth-century English philosopher John >>> Locke. Locke had advocated the toleration of Muslims—and Jews—following in >>> the footsteps of a few others in Europe who had considered the matter for >>> more than a century before him. Jefferson’s ideas about Muslim rights must >>> be understood within this older context, a complex set of transatlantic >>> ideas that would continue to evolve most markedly from the sixteenth >>> through the nineteenth centuries. >>> >>> Amid the interdenominational Christian violence in Europe, some >>> Christians, beginning in the sixteenth century, chose Muslims as the test >>> case for the demarcation of the theoretical boundaries of their toleration >>> for all believers. Because of these European precedents, Muslims also >>> became a part of American debates about religion and the limits of >>> citizenship. As they set about creating a new government in the United >>> States, the American Founders, Protestants all, frequently referred to the >>> adherents of Islam as they contemplated the proper scope of religious >>> freedom and individual rights among the nation’s present and potential >>> inhabitants. The founding generation debated whether the United States >>> should be exclusively Protestant or a religiously plural polity. And if the >>> latter, whether political equality—the full rights of citizenship, >>> including access to the highest office—should extend to non-Protestants. >>> The mention, then, of Muslims as potential citizens of the United States >>> forced the Protestant majority to imagine the parameters of their new >>> society beyond toleration. It obliged them to interrogate the nature of >>> religious freedom: the issue of a “religious test” in the Constitution, >>> like the ones that would exist at the state level into the nineteenth >>> century; the question of “an establishment of religion,” potentially of >>> Protestant Christianity; and the meaning and extent of a separation of >>> religion from government. >>> >>> Resistance to the idea of Muslim citizenship was predictable in the >>> eighteenth century. Americans had inherited from Europe almost a millennium >>> of negative distortions of the faith’s theological and political character. >>> Given the dominance and popularity of these anti-Islamic representations, >>> it was startling that a few notable Americans not only refused to exclude >>> Muslims, but even imagined a day when they would be citizens of the United >>> States, with full and equal rights. This surprising, uniquely American >>> egalitarian defense of Muslim rights was the logical extension of European >>> precedents already mentioned. Still, on both sides of the Atlantic, such >>> ideas were marginal at best. How, then, did the idea of the Muslim as a >>> citizen with rights survive despite powerful opposition from the outset? >>> And what is the fate of that ideal in the twenty-first century? >>> >>> This book provides a new history of the founding era, one that explains >>> how and why Thomas Jefferson and a handful of others adopted and then moved >>> beyond European ideas about the toleration of Muslims. It should be said at >>> the outset that these exceptional men were not motivated by any inherent >>> appreciation for Islam as a religion. Muslims, for most American >>> Protestants, remained beyond the outer limit of those possessing acceptable >>> beliefs, but they nevertheless became emblems of two competing conceptions >>> of the nation’s identity: one essentially preserving the Protestant status >>> quo, and the other fully realizing the pluralism implied in the >>> Revolutionary rhetoric of inalienable and universal rights. Thus while some >>> fought to exclude a group whose inclusion they feared would ultimately >>> portend the undoing of the nation’s Protestant character, a pivotal >>> minority, also Protestant, perceiving the ultimate benefit and justice of a >>> religiously plural America, set about defending the rights of future Muslim >>> citizens. >>> >>> They did so, however, not for the sake of actual Muslims, because none >>> were known at the time to live in America. Instead, Jefferson and others >>> defended Muslim rights for the sake of “imagined Muslims,” the promotion of >>> whose theoretical citizenship would prove the true universality of American >>> rights. Indeed, this defense of imagined Muslims would also create >>> political room to consider the rights of other despised minorities whose >>> numbers in America, though small, were quite real, namely Jews and >>> Catholics. Although it was Muslims who embodied the ideal of inclusion, >>> Jews and Catholics were often linked to them in early American debates, as >>> Jefferson and others fought for the rights of all non-Protestants. >>> >>> In 1783, the year of the nation’s official independence from Great >>> Britain, George Washington wrote to recent Irish Catholic immigrants in New >>> York City. The American Catholic minority of roughly twenty-five thousand >>> then had few legal protections in any state and, because of their faith, no >>> right to hold political office in New York. Washington insisted that “the >>> bosom of America” was “open to receive . . . the oppressed and the >>> persecuted of all Nations and Religions; whom we shall welcome to a >>> participation of all our rights and privileges.” He would also write >>> similar missives to Jewish communities, whose total population numbered >>> only about two thousand at this time. >>> >>> One year later, in 1784, Washington theoretically enfolded Muslims into >>> his private world at Mount Vernon. In a letter to a friend seeking a >>> carpenter and bricklayer to help at his Virginia home, he explained that >>> the workers’ beliefs—or lack thereof—mattered not at all: “If they are good >>> workmen, they may be of Asia, Africa, or Europe. They may be Mahometans >>> [Muslims], Jews or Christian of an[y] Sect, or they may be Atheists.” >>> Clearly, Muslims were part of Washington’s understanding of religious >>> pluralism—at least in theory. But he would not have actually expected any >>> Muslim applicants. >>> >>> Although we have since learned that there were in fact Muslims resident >>> in eighteenth-century America, this book demonstrates that the Founders and >>> their generational peers never knew it. Thus their Muslim constituency >>> remained an imagined, future one. But the fact that both Washington and >>> Jefferson attached to it such symbolic significance is not accidental. Both >>> men were heir to the same pair of opposing European traditions. >>> >>> The first, which predominated, depicted Islam as the antithesis of the >>> “true faith” of Protestant Christianity, as well as the source of >>> tyrannical governments abroad. To tolerate Muslims—to accept them as part >>> of a majority Protestant Christian society—was to welcome people who >>> professed a faith most eighteenth-century Europeans and Americans believed >>> false, foreign, and threatening. Catholics would be similarly characterized >>> in American Protestant founding discourse. Indeed, their faith, like Islam, >>> would be deemed a source of tyranny and thus antithetical to American ideas >>> of liberty. >>> >>> In order to counter such fears, Jefferson and other supporters of >>> non-Protestant citizenship drew upon a second, less popular but crucial >>> stream of European thought, one that posited the toleration of Muslims as >>> well as Jews and Catholics. Those few Europeans, both Catholic and >>> Protestant, who first espoused such ideas in the sixteenth century often >>> died for them. In the seventeenth century, those who advocated universal >>> religious toleration frequently suffered death or imprisonment, banishment >>> or exile, the elites and common folk alike. The ranks of these so-called >>> heretics in Europe included Catholic and Protestant peasants, Protestant >>> scholars of religion and political theory, and fervid Protestant >>> dissenters, such as the first English Baptists—but no people of political >>> power or prominence. Despite not being organized, this minority >>> consistently opposed their coreligionists by defending theoretical Muslims >>> from persecution in Christian-majority states. >>> >>> As a member of the eighteenth-century Anglican establishment and a >>> prominent political leader in Virginia, Jefferson represented a different >>> sort of proponent for ideas that had long been the hallmark of dissident >>> victims of persecution and exile. Because of his elite status, his own >>> endorsement of Muslim citizenship demanded serious consideration in >>> Virginia—and the new nation. Together with a handful of like-minded >>> American Protestants, he advanced a new, previously unthinkable national >>> blueprint. Thus did ideas long on the fringe of European thought flow into >>> the mainstream of American political discourse at its inception. >>> >>> Not that these ideas found universal welcome. Even a man of Jefferson’s >>> national reputation would be attacked by his political opponents for his >>> insistence that the rights of all believers should be protected from >>> government interference and persecution. But he drew support from a broad >>> range of constituencies, including Anglicans (or Episcopalians), as well as >>> dissenting Presbyterians and Baptists, who suffered persecution perpetrated >>> by fellow Protestants. No denomination had a unanimously positive view of >>> non-Protestants as full American citizens, yet support for Muslim rights >>> was expressed by some members of each. >>> >>> What the supporters of Muslim rights were proposing was extraordinary >>> even at a purely theoretical level in the eighteenth century. American >>> citizenship—which had embraced only free, white, male Protestants—was in >>> effect to be abstracted from religion. Race and gender would continue as >>> barriers, but not so faith. Legislation in Virginia would be just the >>> beginning, the First Amendment far from the end of the story; in fact, >>> Jefferson, Washington, and James Madison would work toward this ideal of >>> separation throughout their entire political lives, ultimately leaving it >>> to others to carry on and finish the job. This book documents, for the >>> first time, how Jefferson and others, despite their negative, often >>> incorrect understandings of Islam, pursued that ideal by advocating the >>> rights of Muslims and all non-Protestants. >>> >>> >>> On Thursday, June 2, 2016 at 1:59:59 PM UTC-5, Travis wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> *Muslims: Nothing has changed in 200 years* >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> A different type of president then. When Jefferson saw there was no >>>> negotiating with Muslims, he formed what is the now the Marines (sea going >>>> soldiers). These Marines were attached to U. S. Merchant vessels. When the >>>> Muslims attacked U.S. merchant vessels they were repulsed by armed >>>> soldiers, but there is more. The Marines followed the Muslims back to their >>>> villages and killed every man, woman, and child in the village. It didn't >>>> take long for the Muslims to leave U.S. Merchant vessels alone. English and >>>> French merchant vessels started running up our flag when entering the >>>> Mediterranean to secure safe travel. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Why the Marine Hymn Contains the Verse "To the Shores of Tripoli" >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> This is very interesting and a must read piece of our history. It >>>> points out where we may be heading. >>>> >>>> Most Americans are unaware of the fact that over two hundred years ago >>>> the United States had declared war on Islam and Thomas Jefferson led the >>>> charge! >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> At the height of the 18th century, Muslim pirates (the “Barbary >>>> Pirates”) were the terror of the Mediterranean and a large area of the >>>> North Atlantic. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> They attacked every ship in sight, and held the crews for exorbitant >>>> ransoms. Those taken hostage were subjected to barbaric treatment and wrote >>>> heart-breaking letters home, begging their government and family members to >>>> pay whatever their Mohammedan captors demanded. >>>> >>>> These extortionists of the high seas represented the North African >>>> Islamic nations of Tripoli, Tunis, Morocco, and Algiers - collectively >>>> referred to as the Barbary Coast - and presented a dangerous and unprovoked >>>> threat to the new American Republic. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Before the Revolutionary War, U.S. merchant ships had been under the >>>> protection of Great Britain. When the U.S. declared its independence and >>>> entered into war, the ships of the United States were protected by France. >>>> However, once the war was won, America had to protect its own fleets. >>>> >>>> Thus, the birth of the U.S. Navy. Beginning in 1784, 17 years before he >>>> would become president, Thomas Jefferson became America's Minister to >>>> France. That same year, the U.S. Congress sought to appease its Muslim >>>> adversaries by following in the footsteps of European nations who paid >>>> bribes to the Barbary States rather than engaging them in war. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> In July of 1785, Algerian pirates captured American ships, and the Dye >>>> of Algiers demanded an unheard-of ransom of $60,000. It was a plain and >>>> simple case of extortion, and Thomas Jefferson was vehemently opposed to >>>> any further payments. Instead, he proposed to Congress the formation of a >>>> coalition of allied nations who together could force the Islamic states >>>> into peace. A disinterested Congress decided to pay the ransom. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> In 1786, Thomas Jefferson and John Adams met with Tripoli's ambassador >>>> to Great Britain to ask by what right his nation attacked American ships >>>> and enslaved American citizens, and why Muslims held so much hostility >>>> towards America, a nation with which they had no previous contacts. >>>> >>>> The two future presidents reported that Ambassador Sidi Haji Abdul >>>> Rahman Adja had answered that *Islam "was founded on the Laws of their >>>> Prophet, that it was written in their Quran that all nations who would not >>>> acknowledge their authority were sinners, that it was their right and duty >>>> to make war upon them wherever they could be found, and to make slaves of >>>> all they could take as prisoners, and that every Musselman (Muslim) who >>>> should be slain in Battle was sure to go to Paradise."* >>>> >>>> Despite this stunning admission of premeditated violence on non-Muslim >>>> nations, as well as the objections of many notable American leaders, >>>> including George Washington, who warned that caving in was both wrong and >>>> would only further embolden the enemy, for the following fifteen years the >>>> American government paid the Muslims millions of dollars for the safe >>>> passage of American ships or the return of American hostages. The payments >>>> in ransom and tribute amounted to over 20 percent of the United States >>>> government annual revenues in 1800. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Jefferson was disgusted. Shortly after his being sworn in as the third >>>> President of the United States in 1801, the Pasha of Tripoli sent him a >>>> note demanding the immediate payment of $225,000 plus $25,000 a year for >>>> every year forthcoming. That changed everything. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Jefferson let the Pasha know, in no uncertain terms, what he could do >>>> with his demand. The Pasha responded by cutting down the flagpole at the >>>> American consulate and declared war on the United States. Tunis, Morocco, >>>> and Algiers immediately followed suit. Jefferson, until now, had been >>>> against America raising a naval force for anything beyond coastal defense, >>>> but, having watched his nation be cowed by Islamic thuggery for long >>>> enough, decided that it was finally time to meet force with force. >>>> >>>> He dispatched a squadron of frigates to the Mediterranean and taught >>>> the Muslim nations of the Barbary Coast a lesson he hoped they would never >>>> forget. Congress authorized Jefferson to empower U.S. ships to seize all >>>> vessels and goods of the Pasha of Tripoli and to "cause to be done all >>>> other acts of precaution or hostility as the state of war would justify". >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> When Algiers and Tunis, who were both accustomed to American cowardice >>>> and acquiescence, saw the newly independent United States had both the will >>>> and the right to strike back, they quickly abandoned their allegiance to >>>> Tripoli. The war with Tripoli lasted for four more years, and raged up >>>> again in 1815. The bravery of the U.S. Marine Corps in these wars led to >>>> the line *"to the shores of Tripoli" in the Marine Hymn,* and they >>>> would forever be known as "leathernecks" for the leather collars of their >>>> uniforms, designed to prevent their heads from being cut off by the Muslim >>>> scimitars when boarding enemy ships. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Islam, and what its Barbary followers justified doing in the name of >>>> their prophet and their god, disturbed Jefferson quite deeply. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> America had a tradition of religious tolerance. In fact Jefferson, >>>> himself, had co-authored the Virginia Statute for Religious Freedom, but >>>> fundamentalist Islam was like no other religion the world had ever seen. A >>>> religion based on supremacy, whose holy book not only condoned but mandated >>>> violence against unbelievers, was unacceptable to him. His greatest fear >>>> was that someday this brand of Islam would return and pose an even greater >>>> threat to the United States. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> This should concern every American. That Muslims have brought about >>>> women-only classes and swimming times at taxpayer-funded universities and >>>> public pools; that Christians, Jews, and Hindus have been banned from >>>> serving on juries where Muslim defendants are being judged; Piggy banks and >>>> Porky Pig tissue dispensers have been banned from workplaces because they >>>> offend Islamist sensibilities; ice cream has been discontinued at certain >>>> Burger King locations because the picture on the wrapper looks similar to >>>> the Arabic script for Allah; public schools are pulling pork from their >>>> menus; on and on and on and on…. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> *It's death by a thousand cuts,* or inch-by-inch as some refer to it, >>>> and most Americans have no idea that this battle is being waged every day >>>> across America. 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