Thanks Keith. This will be apparently another Fergusson -- Hands up don't shoot. The media have their marching orders on what to report. The facts as reported never made sense.
Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 8, 2016, at 11:10 PM, Keith In Tampa <[email protected]> wrote: > > I appreciate you sharing this Tracey! It's enlightening to say the least! > > Moreover, there is clearly a false narratie that the media has run with > concerning what transpired in Minnesota....Here's the latest: > > https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2016/07/08/confirmed-philando-castile-was-an-armed-robbery-suspect-false-media-narrative-now-driving-cop-killings/ > > Confirmed – Philando Castile Was an Armed Robbery Suspect – False Media > Narrative Now Driving Cop Killings… > Posted on July 8, 2016 by sundance > The Falcon Heights, Minnesota police shooting of Philando Castile is based > around an entirely false narrative. Castile and Ms. Diamond Reynolds > (Facebook video uploader) were pulled over by police because Castile matched > a BOLO Alert for an armed robbery suspect from four days prior. > > > > Unfortunately, the false statements in the video – which have gone viral, and > are being pushed by the mainstream media – have created a backlash against > police officers. > > Police officers in: Dallas (link), Tennessee (link), Missouri (link) and > Georgia (link) have been Shot or killed in the past 24 hours as a result of a > false narrative driven by the Black Lives Matter movement. It is important to > get the truth out quickly. > > Saint Anthony, MN, Police Officers Jeronimo Yanez and Joseph Kauser pulled > over Mr. Castile and Ms. Reynolds because the driver, Philando Castile, > matched the suspect profile in an armed robbery which occurred on July 2nd, > at a convenience store, only a few blocks from where their car was pulled > over. > > > The armed robbery occurred on July 2nd 7:30pm (Sat). The CCTV images were > given to media and LEO by detectives on July 5th (Tuesday). A BOLO (Be On > Look Out) alert was issued the same day, Tuesday July 5th. Philando Castile > was pulled over on July 6th. > > From the radio dispatch of Officer Jeronimo Yanez: > > “I’m going to stop a car. I’m going to check IDs. I have reason to pull it > over.” > > “The two occupants just look like people that were involved in a robbery. The > driver looks more like one of our suspects, just ‘cause of the wide set > nose.” > > A minute and a half later, the recording captures the first report that there > was a shooting. (link) > > > > > > Ms. Diamond Reynolds narrates the now viral Facebook video with several false > statements. > > Reynolds claimed they were pulled over for a broken tail light, false. > > Ms. Reynolds also claims her boyfriend, Castile, was holding a concealed > carry permit for a firearmthat was resting on his left thigh. This also > appears to be false. > > According to a question presented to the local county sheriff who oversees > the Concealed Carry Permit process, Mr. Castile had never requested a > concealed carry permit from their office: > > > > Due to the rear facing camera option on the phone Ms. Reynolds was using, the > uploaded video is a reversed mirror image – making it appear she was in the > drivers side, and Castile was on the passenger side. However, that > impression is incorrect, astile was driving the vehicle. The uploaded image > is reversed by Facebook Livestream Video. > > However, in part of the video it is possible to see a hand gun located on the > thigh of Philando Castile. This also appears to be why Officer Yanez repeats > to Ms. Reynolds not to reach toward her boyfriend: > > > > This hand gun also appears to be the same type of hand gun used in the > Convenience Store Armed robbery four days earlier: > > > > > > In addition, Mr. Castile also matched the physical description of the suspect > as given byeye witnesses: > > […] The other suspect was described as a black man with shoulder-length > dreadlocks, who wore tan pants, tan shoes with white soles, a green jacket, a > green baseball cap and glasses, the release says. He also had some of his > hair pulled into a bun through the strap on the back of his hat and had a > small mustache and facial hair on his chin. (link) > > Similar clothes as noted on the robbery suspect are also noted in the > Facebook images of Mr. Castile. However, whether Mr. Castile is actually the > person who committed the armed robbery is essentially a moot point. Officer > Jeronimo Yanez gave the reason for the stop to his dispatcher as a possible > ID on an “armed robbery suspect”. > > It is with that “armed robbery suspect” perspective the approach toward the > vehicle was made. > > Mr. Castile, fitting the physical description, being in the same geography, > and then having a handgun under his thigh only made the suspicions gain > exponential weight. > > Any behaviors or sudden movements by Mr. Castile would only increase the > anxiety and increase his perception as a threat. > > > > > > Given that police around the country are being targeted based on an entirely > false premise, it is critical the truth behind the entire incident be > revealed with the same veracity as the MSM narrative. Unfortunately, lies > travel around the world twice – before the truth even has time to put its > boots on. > > >> On Fri, Jul 8, 2016 at 10:46 PM, Tracey Robertson <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> One of the basic things taught with a cpl is that if ever stopped by an >> officer you announce that you have a permit, you are carrying, it is loaded, >> and you advise the officer that you are placing your hands on the dashboard >> or steering wheel and instruct the officer to remove your firearm. You never >> reach for a wallet where you have a firearm. I am calling bs on him having a >> license to carry. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Jul 8, 2016, at 7:05 PM, Keith In Tampa <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> No Body-Cams on the Officers, but there is a squad car video of the >>> incident. >>> >>> We don't know that (the alleged statement that Philo was carrying and had a >>> permit) are true either. That Castile or the woman, (Diamond Reynolds) >>> either one, said that Castile had a firearm or a carry permit; that is what >>> Diamond Reynolds claims, in her very strange video. >>> >>> What we do know now, is that it's very well likely that Philo Castile was >>> in fact involved in an armed robbery the night prior to the shooting. >>> Here's the Last Refuge article, which has been updated since I posted it >>> this morning, and their suspicions have pretty much been confirmed. (The >>> update is at the bottom of the page) >>> >>> https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2016/07/08/the-curious-case-of-philando-castile-falcon-heights-mn-police-shooting/ >>> >>>> On Fri, Jul 8, 2016 at 6:18 PM, Brian Bednarek <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> I suppose my eyes aren't too good, that blurry pic looks nothing like a >>>> gun to me ... but in any event if he had a carry permit and told the >>>> officer he had a gun ... the whole thing seems grey!!! >>>> >>>>> On Fri, Jul 8, 2016 at 5:44 PM, plainolamerican >>>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> Note that Mr. Castile had a firearm in his lap: >>>>> --- >>>>> he also had a permit for that firearm. >>>>> >>>>>> On Friday, July 8, 2016 at 3:52:07 PM UTC-5, KeithInTampa wrote: >>>>>> And to think that this purported "Fun Loving Guy" (as reported by CNN) >>>>>> had his trigger tripped over mainstream media hype and a fraudulent >>>>>> video made by Philo Castile's "Baby-Momma": >>>>>> >>>>>> "The "Real" Story on Philo Castile; the Minnesota man who was filmed by >>>>>> his purported girlfriend while dying, after being shot by a cop for >>>>>> allegedly reaching for his wallet.....What the media hasn't told us yet": >>>>>> >>>>>> https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2016/07/08/the-curious-case-of-philando-castile-falcon-heights-mn-police-shooting/ >>>>>> >>>>>> Note that Mr. Castile had a firearm in his lap: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> BREAKING: #PhilandoCastile From #FalconHeightsShooting Was Crips Gang >>>>>> Member >>>>>> >>>>>> http://gotnews.com/breaking-philandocastile-falconheightsshooting-crips-gangmember/ >>>>>> >>>>>>> On Fri, Jul 8, 2016 at 2:45 PM, plainolamerican <[email protected]> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> Micah Xavier Johnson: 5 Fast Facts You Need to Know >>>>>>> >>>>>>> --- >>>>>>> most importantly, he was a US soldier trained to kill on command. >>>>>>> they have really high suicide rates. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Friday, July 8, 2016 at 1:28:49 PM UTC-5, Travis wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> http://heavy.com/news/2016/07/micah-xavier-x-johnson-dallas-police-shooting-sniper-gunman-shooter-suspect-name-identified-photos-facebook-video/ >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Micah Xavier Johnson: 5 Fast Facts You Need to Know >>>>>>>> July 8, 2016 428 Comments By Tom Cleary >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Micah X. Johnson. (Facebook) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> An Army veteran “upset about Black Lives Matter” and “recent police >>>>>>>> shootings” who opened fire Thursday night in Dallas in an attack on >>>>>>>> police officers has been identified as Micah Xavier Johnson, the Los >>>>>>>> Angeles Times and CBS News report. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Five police officers were killed and seven were wounded, officials >>>>>>>> said. Two civilians were also wounded in the shootings. Johnson, 25, >>>>>>>> was killed when a police robot detonated a bomb near him following a >>>>>>>> standoff that lasted several hours, Police Chief David Brown said >>>>>>>> Friday at a press conference. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> “The suspect said he was upset with white people and wanted to kill >>>>>>>> white people, especially white officers,” Brown said. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> It is not clear if there were any other gunmen, or whether other >>>>>>>> people taken into custody by police were involved in the shooting. >>>>>>>> Police initially said two snipers positioned themselves in >>>>>>>> triangulated locations to fire on officers from elevated positions. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The gunfire began just before 9 p.m. while a peaceful rally was held >>>>>>>> by Black Lives Matter in response to recent controversial police >>>>>>>> killings of black men in Louisiana and Minnesota. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The gunman was then cornered in El Centro College in downtown Dallas. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> This post will be updated as more information is released. Here’s what >>>>>>>> we know so far about Johnson and the shootings: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Warning: Some of the videos below may contain graphic content. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> 1. The Former Soldier Told Police He Was Not Affiliated With Any >>>>>>>> Groups & He ‘Did This Alone’ >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Micah Xavier Johnson. (Facebook) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> After the shootings in downtown Dallas, the gunman, identified as >>>>>>>> Micah Xavier Johnson, 25, holed himself up inside El Centro College in >>>>>>>> the downtown area of the city, Dallas Police Chief David Brown said at >>>>>>>> a press conference. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> He told police he was “not affiliated with any groups,” and he said he >>>>>>>> “did this alone,” the chief said. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Sources told the Los Angeles Times that Johnson has no ties to terror >>>>>>>> groups and no known criminal history. He has lived in the Dallas area >>>>>>>> and has family members living in Mesquite, Texas, east of Dallas, the >>>>>>>> newspaper reports, citing federal law enforcement sources. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> A black SUV was found at the scene registered to Delphene Johnson, who >>>>>>>> is Micah Johnson’s mother, according to Facebook posts and public >>>>>>>> records, NBC Dallas-Fort Worth reports. Live helicopter video from the >>>>>>>> news station showed police at her home in Mesquite. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Johnson served in the U.S. Army Reserve, investigators said. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Micah X. Johnson seen in a photo uploaded to Facebook by his sister. >>>>>>>> (Facebook) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Johnson told police negotiators the “end is coming” and said he wanted >>>>>>>> to “kill more” officers, according to Brown. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Police said after several hours of negotiating, with intermittent >>>>>>>> exchanges of gunfire, the suspect was killed by a bomb-wielding robot. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> “We tried to negotiate for several hours, negotiations broke down, we >>>>>>>> had an exchange of gunfire with the suspect,” Brown said. “We saw no >>>>>>>> other option but to use our bomb-robot and place a device on its >>>>>>>> extension for it to detonate where the suspect was. Other options >>>>>>>> would have exposed our officers to grave danger. The suspect is dead a >>>>>>>> result of detonating the bomb.” >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The suspect did not shoot himself, despite reports, Brown said. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> “He wanted to kill officers, and he expressed killing white people, he >>>>>>>> expressed killing white officers,” Brown said. “He expressed anger for >>>>>>>> Black Lives Matter. None of that makes sense, none of that is a >>>>>>>> legitimate reason to do harm to anyone, so the rest of it would just >>>>>>>> be speculating on what his motivations were. We just know what he said >>>>>>>> to our negotiators.” >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> While he was barricaded in the hotel, the suspect told police there >>>>>>>> were bombs planted “all over” downtown Dallas, the city’s police chief >>>>>>>> said at a press conference. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Police have not said if any bombs or suspicious items have been found. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> “He said we will eventually find the IEDs,” Brown said. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The shooting came a year and a month after a man angry at police >>>>>>>> opened fire on the Dallas Police headquarters. He fired several shots >>>>>>>> at the building, but no one was injured. The man, James Boulware, was >>>>>>>> driving an armored van and was later chased down by police. He was >>>>>>>> killed during a standoff. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Boulware also claimed he had planted bombs in downtown Dallas. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Micah X. Johnson Photos: Pictures of Dallas Cop Killer >>>>>>>> The man who killed five cops in Dallas during a peaceful rally against >>>>>>>> police brutality has been named as a former U.S. Army reservist from >>>>>>>> Mesquite, Texas. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Click here to read more >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Read more about Micah X. Johnson in Spanish at AhoraMismo.com: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Micah Xavier Johnson: 5 Datos Importantes que Tienes que Saber >>>>>>>> Micah X. Johnson es el francotirador que mató a cinco policias en >>>>>>>> Dallas durante una protesta. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Click here to read more >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> 2. His Facebook Page Includes a ‘Black Power’ Poster & the Pan-African >>>>>>>> Flag >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Micah X. Johnson. (Facebook) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Micah Johnson’s Facebook page provides few details about his life. In >>>>>>>> May, he posted a “Black Power” poster, one of the few images on his >>>>>>>> page: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> (Facebook) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> His cover photo is the Pan-African flag. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Johnson posted a photo with Professor Griff of Public Enemy, taken at >>>>>>>> what appears to be an autograph signing, in April. His only other >>>>>>>> photo is a Doctor Who wallpaper. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> His birthday was July 2. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Johnson’s sister posted on Facebook on Friday after his name was made >>>>>>>> public, “I keep saying its not true…my eyes hurt from crying. Y him??? >>>>>>>> And why was he downtown smh. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> “Please out of respect for my family. If you following the news and >>>>>>>> know whats going on, I’m not talking to anyone and please keep your >>>>>>>> comments thoughts respectful,” she wrote. “The news will say what they >>>>>>>> think but those that knew him know this wasn’t like him. Only close >>>>>>>> family can call me. This is the biggest loss we’ve had.” >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Officer Brent Thompson: 5 Fast Facts You Need to Know >>>>>>>> Officer Brent Thompson, the first slain officer shot in Dallas >>>>>>>> identified, had trained Iraqi and Afghan police. He was 43, and a DART >>>>>>>> officer. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Click here to read more >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> 3. The Chief Says If Anyone Else Was Involved in the Shootings, ‘We >>>>>>>> Will Find You & We Will Bring You to Justice’ >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Police are still trying to determine how many gunmen were involved in >>>>>>>> the attack. Chief David Brown said they will continuing searching and >>>>>>>> investigating until they can be sure no one is on the loose. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Brown said they want to ensure “that everyone associated with this >>>>>>>> tragedy is brought to justice. … We won’t expand on any further on >>>>>>>> what other suspects we have interviewed or looked at or their status >>>>>>>> until we get further into this investigation and get closer to a >>>>>>>> conclusion of who are all involved.” >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Brown said, “I’m not going to be satisfied until we turn over every >>>>>>>> stone. … We’re not satisfied that we’ve exhausted every lead. And >>>>>>>> we’re not going to be satisfied until every lead is exhausted. So if >>>>>>>> there is someone out there that was associated with this, we will find >>>>>>>> you and we will prosecute you and we will bring you to justice.” >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Police previously said two people were spotted getting into a Mercedes >>>>>>>> in downtown Dallas carrying camouflage duffle bags, the police chief >>>>>>>> said. The car was found by police and stopped on the highway. The >>>>>>>> people in the car were taken into custody. The chief said a woman was >>>>>>>> also arrested near El Centro College. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Police are not sure if any of those three people who are in custody >>>>>>>> are connected to the shooting. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> One man who was marching during the protest, Mark Hughes, was >>>>>>>> incorrectly identified by police as a “person of interest” in the >>>>>>>> shooting, and his photo was distributed on Twitter by the department. >>>>>>>> Hughes was open carrying a rifle, which is legal in Texas, to exercise >>>>>>>> his Second Amendment rights, but he turned over the gun to a police >>>>>>>> officer after the shooting began so he would not be mistaken as a >>>>>>>> suspect. That moment was caught on video: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The man later turned himself in to police after his photo was >>>>>>>> distributed across social media and on national television. He was >>>>>>>> released after being questioned. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Alton Sterling: Top 10 Facts You Need to Know >>>>>>>> A 37-year-old Baton Rouge, Louisiana, man was fatally shot by police >>>>>>>> in an incident caught on video by a witness that has sparked protests >>>>>>>> in the city. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Click here to read more >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> 4. Johnson Was a Corporal in the Army Reserves & Served in Afghanistan >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Johnson is the only suspect identified so far. (Facebook) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> A Department of Defense official told The Daily Beast that Micah >>>>>>>> Johnson was a corporal in the Army Reserves. He was part of the 284th >>>>>>>> Engineering Company, which is based in Santa Fe, New Mexico. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The official said Johnson served in Afghanistan. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> He was a carpenter and masonry specialist, CNN reports. It is not >>>>>>>> known if he had advanced firearms training, DOD officials told CNN. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> WATCH: Video Shows Dallas Gunman Shooting Officer [GRAPHIC] >>>>>>>> A graphic video obtained by KDFW-TV shows a gunman opening fire on a >>>>>>>> police officer in Dallas Thursday night., shooting him in the back. >>>>>>>> Watch it here. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Click here to read more >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> 5. Police Took Part in the Planning of the Peaceful Rally & March, the >>>>>>>> Chief Says >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The shootings came during a peaceful rally and march in response to >>>>>>>> two controversial police shootings of black men that occurred this >>>>>>>> week. The rally began at 7 p.m. and was set to end at 9 p.m. The >>>>>>>> shooting occurred just before 9 p.m. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Alton Sterling was fatally shot by two officers in Baton Rouge, >>>>>>>> Louisiana on Tuesday. A day later, Philando Castile was killed by >>>>>>>> police during a traffic stop in Falcon Heights, Minnesota. Parts of >>>>>>>> both shootings were caught on videos that spread quickly across social >>>>>>>> media. Investigations into both those shootings are ongoing and no >>>>>>>> officers have been charged. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Dallas Police Chief David Brown said he and others in the police >>>>>>>> department participated in the planning of the rally. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Officers were posing for pictures with marchers and the mood was >>>>>>>> peaceful and light, officials said. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Police have released no evidence that the planners of the protest were >>>>>>>> involved in the shooting. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> “Police officers are guardians of this great democracy, the freedom to >>>>>>>> protest, the freedom of speech, the freedom of expression, all >>>>>>>> freedoms we fight for with our lives, it’s what makes us who we are as >>>>>>>> Americans,” Brown said. “So we risk our lives for those rights, so we >>>>>>>> won’t militarize our policing standards, but we will do it in a much >>>>>>>> safer way every time.” >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Brown said they had an “adequate” amount of officers and were doing >>>>>>>> the right thing to shut down traffic and protect people’s right to >>>>>>>> protest. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> “We are not going to let a coward who would ambush police officers >>>>>>>> change our democracy. We’re not going to do it. Our city, our country >>>>>>>> is better than that,” Brown said. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Four of the officers killed are from the Dallas Police Department. The >>>>>>>> fifth victim, Officer Brent Thompson, worked for the Dallas Area Rapid >>>>>>>> Transit (DART) authority’s police department. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> A second victim was identified by family members as Dallas Officer >>>>>>>> Patrick Zamarripa. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The other officers have not yet been identified publicly and Brown >>>>>>>> said they are working to notify families of the victims. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> One wounded officer has been identified as DART Officer Misty McBride. >>>>>>>> She is expected to survive. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> “Some of the bravest men and women you ever want to be associated >>>>>>>> with,” Brown said about the Dallas and DART police officers who >>>>>>>> responded to the shooting. “You see video footage after video footage >>>>>>>> of them running toward gunfire from an elevated position with no >>>>>>>> chance to protect themselves. And to put themselves in harms way to >>>>>>>> make sure citizens can get to a place of security. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> “So please join me in applauding these brave men and women who do this >>>>>>>> job under great scrutiny, under great vulnerability. Who literally >>>>>>>> risk their lives to protect our democracy. We don’t feel much support >>>>>>>> most days, let’s not make today most days. Please, we need your >>>>>>>> support to be able to protect you from men like these who carried out >>>>>>>> this tragic, tragic event. 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