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On Sep 17, 2016 6:25 PM, "Keith In Tampa" <keithinta...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Scary......A lot of folks over that way depend upon ground water for
> drinking water.  Everyone is keeping their eyes out to see the latest
> development.  There's a number of things that they can do, I don't know
> what it is that they're planning, but years ago, I used to work service
> those mines, and am familiar (somewhat with the holding ponds and the waste
> water treatment systems.
>
> Stay Tuned!
>
>
>
> On Sat, Sep 17, 2016 at 6:48 PM, geoffrey theist <gtheist...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Keith not to change the subject but what is the deal with that sinkhole
>> at the mosaic  fertilizer plant?
>>
>> On Sep 17, 2016 5:03 PM, "Brian Bednarek" <bri...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> NJ did a two year test on stop-light cameras ... locals loved it, more
>>> gravy, but amazingly the State gov't decided it was wrong and stopped it
>>> ... probably the only time my State did a good job since I moved here 22
>>> years ago!!!
>>>
>>> On Sat, Sep 17, 2016 at 1:01 PM, Keith In Tampa <keithinta...@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Ditto down here in Florida....In Florida, it's illicit to stop a
>>>> vehicle for non-seat belt wearing; but "if" they stop you, and you're not
>>>> wearing a seat belt, then the fine applies.  Fortunately I have no issue
>>>> with this policy, and always wear a seat belt.
>>>>
>>>> I have mutual problems with the cameras, and they are quite
>>>> controversial down here in Florida.  There have been some successful
>>>> challenges to the whole "Cam-Ticket" policy, and the Constitutionality of
>>>> the program.  Some communities have refused to "Re-Up" the programs,
>>>> because they've got their proverbial asses handed to them in Court.
>>>>
>>>> I'm not sure how successful overall this progam will be, but if there's
>>>> a way that local governments can get around the Constitutional Issues;
>>>>  they will.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Sat, Sep 17, 2016 at 12:56 PM, Brian Bednarek <bri...@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I know that here in NJ it's a money maker!!! They also advertise that
>>>>> they are doing "Click-it or Ticket" programs for a week at a time and they
>>>>> will ticket anyone without a seat-belt on ... same with the various DUI
>>>>> stops all weekends where they find things other than just drunks 
>>>>> driving!!!
>>>>> We have our share of speed traps all over the highways!!!
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sat, Sep 17, 2016 at 10:35 AM, 'ray' via PoliticalForum <
>>>>> politicalforum@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Speed limits are nothing more than a revenue collection method
>>>>>> imposed on drivers, who have actually caused no harm. Two shining 
>>>>>> examples
>>>>>> of the fallacy of official government hypocritical slogan that ticketing
>>>>>> speeders is a safety priority and saves lives: Radar is set up on road to
>>>>>> catch speeders heading east. Driver heading west passes speed trap, 
>>>>>> stops a
>>>>>> mile away and begins to flash lights at cars heading east. The result, is
>>>>>> that cars heading east slow down. If flashing light driver caught, a 
>>>>>> ticket
>>>>>> is issued. If safety and encouraging drivers to slow down are primary
>>>>>> objectives, why is flasher ticketed for warning drivers? Fraternal order 
>>>>>> of
>>>>>> police issued a statement demanding that the APP WAZE remove the alert 
>>>>>> for
>>>>>> police activity ahead. Most states have a law that drivers must move 
>>>>>> over,
>>>>>> if possible, when they encounter emergency vehicles on side of road. WAZE
>>>>>> provides early warning and allows drivers enough time to safely do so, 
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> to slow down. The alleged two priorities of safety Yet, police despise 
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> early warning notice?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Friday, September 16, 2016 at 7:49:15 AM UTC-4, MJ wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> September 11, 2016
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *On This Speed Limit Business *by eric
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> What are speed limits, exactly?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I know … a number on a sign.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *Exactly. *But why pay any attention to them?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I mean, assuming there *isn’t* a cop around?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> They’re not much use as far as advisories about the maximum safe
>>>>>>> velocity for a given road. If they were, then everyone (just about)
>>>>>>> wouldn’t be driving *at least* that fast.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Probably, they’d be driving slower.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If speed limits meant anything substantive, that is.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Like the redline on a tachometer, for example. That is a *real*
>>>>>>> limit.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Most people do not run their engines at or even near redline for
>>>>>>> more than brief moments. Because the redline *is* the fastest you
>>>>>>> can safely spin the engine without risking engine damage.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So they don’t do it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The idea that driving over the speed limit is risking anything
>>>>>>> (other than a ticket) is ridiculous.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If that were not the case, then most people wouldn’t “speed” as a
>>>>>>> matter of routine – because most people aren’t reckless with their own
>>>>>>> lives or the lives of others.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The fact that speed limits are almost universally ignored (by cops,
>>>>>>> too) says something about their merits.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Prohibition comes to mind. Another absurd law that was respected
>>>>>>> accordingly.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> But Prohibition went away.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Speed limits are still with us.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It’d be nice if they’d go away, like Prohibition.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It would tolerable if they at least plausibly represented a speed*
>>>>>>> faster* than most people on a given road normally drive.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> That is, in fact, how speed limits are*supposed* to be set. Such
>>>>>>> that most drivers would *not* be “speeding.” The few who did could
>>>>>>> then at least be characterized as driving faster than most other drivers
>>>>>>> and one could then at least make the claim that *maybe* these
>>>>>>> people are driving too fast.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> But that is not good for *revenue* – which is what speed limits are
>>>>>>> really all about.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> By purposely setting limits so low such that nine out of ten drivers
>>>>>>> on any given road are “speeding,” it makes it easier to catch 
>>>>>>> “speeders.”
>>>>>>> Which means more revenue via tickets issued for this *manufactured
>>>>>>> offense*.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So, speed limits have little, if anything, to do with “safety.”
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> They are useless as far as informing drivers about reasonable speeds
>>>>>>> for a given (and perhaps unfamiliar) road.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> They are not (for the most part) posted on the basis of traffic
>>>>>>> engineering surveys, as they are supposed to be.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> They are arbitrary and typically under-posted, deliberately – in
>>>>>>> order to criminalize reasonable/safe driving so as to give police an 
>>>>>>> excuse
>>>>>>> to issue “citations” which just happen to be a major source of local
>>>>>>> government income.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> When there is a profit motive underpinning a law – and when most
>>>>>>> otherwise reasonable (and presumably sane) people routinely violate a 
>>>>>>> law,
>>>>>>> there is a problem with the law.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> And those who enforce it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Arguably, the entire concept is flawed because it assumes there is a
>>>>>>> single “safe” speed for every driver. But each driver’s abilities vary. 
>>>>>>> As
>>>>>>> does the capability of the vehicle they’re driving. A one-size-fits-all
>>>>>>> speed limit arbitrarily defines Driver A as a danger merely because he 
>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>> traveling faster than a number posted on a sign – even if his actual
>>>>>>> *driving* can’t be faulted. And it envelopes Driver B – whose
>>>>>>> actual driving *can* be faulted – in the aura of  legality (and
>>>>>>> “safety”) merely because he is operating at or below the arbitrarily-set
>>>>>>> speed limit.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It might be saner – and safer – to get rid of enforceable speed
>>>>>>> limits altogether. Perhaps post advisory speeds – realistic speeds – as 
>>>>>>> an
>>>>>>> aid to drivers not familiar with a given stretch of road or curves up
>>>>>>> ahead. That would be genuinely helpful as a well as safe.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> But then, it would reduce revenue, by taking away the excuse to pull
>>>>>>> over people whose driving can’t be faulted but who did exceed a
>>>>>>> dumbed-down, arbitrarily set, least-common-denominator number on a sign
>>>>>>> we’re supposed to obey but which virtually no one does.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://ericpetersautos.com/2016/09/11/speed-limit-business/
>>>>>>>
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