"Spot On" Perp, and like I said,  (like you!)  I will never ever support
another "Globalist/Elitist/Rockefellerian/Establishment"
politician ever again.....No matter what political affiliation or letter
that they have behind their name!



On Sun, Sep 18, 2016 at 2:06 PM, 'Perplexed' via PoliticalForum <
politicalforum@googlegroups.com> wrote:

>
> I agree completely, Keith. And I also think these "Never Trump" morons are
> 100% deluded if they think they won't pay for what they are doing now in 4
> or 8 years and possibly beyond.
>
> The battle lines have been drawn. Either you accept the status quo of the
> establishment/political/ruling totally disconnected career politicians from
> BOTH parties, or you don't. And there is no way in hell half of Trump
> voters will ever forget or forgive or excuse the attacks from the sore
> losers in the GOP who - even if they didn't want to support Trump - didn't
> have the common sense to shut the F up and keep it to themselves.
>
> Kasich, Cruz, ALL of the Bush family, Flake, Graham - all of them have
> absolutely ZERO chance of doing anything but whimpering and bitching and
> losing national elections in the future.
>
> On Sunday, September 18, 2016 at 11:07:47 AM UTC-4, KeithInTampa wrote:
>>
>> Like Gottfried,  I'm not nearly as kind or forgiving as Limbaugh. I once
>> was, and believed that we needed to regroup after the Convention, but the
>> attacks by the "#NeverTrumpers" became too intense, personal and nasty.
>>
>> They've made their bed, and I want them to go and lie in it.
>>
>> More importantly, the thing that Limbaugh I don't think realizes, and
>> Gottfried doesn't touch upon, is the proverbial light that Donald Trump has
>> shown on that particular faction of the Republican Party. We've all known
>> that they were there; we just didn't realize how despicable they were!
>> That whole Globalist/Elitist/Establishment/Rockefellerian/New World
>> Order" crew I can never support again.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Sep 18, 2016 at 10:53 AM, MJ <mich...@america.net> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *"But in the case of the never-Trumpers, I would never make this
>>> criticism. Here we are dealing mostly with GOP shills who four years ago
>>> were drooling on cue over Mitt Romney and who four years earlier were
>>> gilding the lily for John McCain. What exactly were the high “conservative”
>>> principles that these candidates of the never-Trumpers articulated that
>>> Trump has failed to express?" *September 16, 2016
>>>
>>> *DAVID LIMBAUGH AND EXTOLLING THE NEVER-TRUMPERS *
>>> *What exactly are the high “conservative” principles of Romney and
>>> McCain that Trump has failed to express? *Paul Gottfried
>>>
>>> A few days ago David Limbaugh, a widely-syndicated Republican
>>> commentator (and Rush’s less fiery younger brother) posted a commentary
>>> <http://townhall.com/columnists/davidlimbaugh/> intended to deescalate
>>> the tensions between Trump’s supporters and the “never-Trumpers.” Limbaugh
>>> defines himself as a “reluctant Trumper,” who decided to support the Donald
>>> as the lesser of two evils after his preferred candidate Ted Cruz stumbled
>>> in the primaries. Limbaugh does not hide his dislike for Trump’s
>>> free-wheeling rhetoric and believes that the GOP nominee’s critics on the
>>> right may be fully justified in doubting his “genuine commitment to
>>> conservative policies.”
>>>
>>> Despite these doubts, Limbaugh endorses Trump for reasons that one also
>>> hears from Sean Hannity, Pat Buchanan, Jerry Falwell, Jr., Larry Elder, and
>>> yours truly. Trump has “many incentives to implement our [conservative]
>>> policies,” while Hillary Clinton has absolutely none. He is also, not
>>> incidentally, bestowing on the Republican Party a large working class
>>> constituency; and even among racial minorities, he is doing at least as
>>> well, and in the case of prospective black voters, better than his GOP
>>> centrist predecessors, Mitt Romney and John McCain. Moreover, it is hard
>>> not to see Trump’s focusing on the problems of illegals and sanctuary
>>> cities as anything other than a “conservative” issue. That remains the case
>>> even if most of his primary competitors and certainly the editorial board
>>> of the *Wall Street Journal* might wish those issues had never been
>>> brought into the primaries.
>>>
>>> Although Limbaugh dutifully provides the reasons that someone claiming
>>> to be on the right should vote for Trump, he still can’t resist extolling
>>> the never-Trumpers. (Although they’re not my buddies, they may be his.)
>>> These supposedly principled conservatives deeply believe that “the best
>>> chance of saving the nation in the long run is to avoid elevating Trump to
>>> president and leader of the party because he could forever destroy
>>> conservatism and the Republican brand.” Although Limbaugh concedes that
>>> some establishment Republicans may be found among these noble idealists,
>>> most of the never-Trumpers “shared our frustration” about where the party
>>> was headed in the hands of unprincipled operators.  Limbaugh closes his
>>> remarks with this statement: “I respect the never-Trumpers and will not
>>> presume to judge them as abandoning the nation’s best interests.”
>>>
>>> It is of course possible to be so principled that one refuses to settle
>>> for politicians who don’t entirely live up to one’s ideals. About ten years
>>> ago I addressed a club named for the great conservative Republican of an
>>> earlier era Robert A. Taft. During my interaction with members I found that
>>> some of them would only vote for a leader who patterned himself on the
>>> organization’s namesake. Although I continue to refer to myself as a “Taft
>>> Republican,” I thought some of the young people I spoke with held
>>> unrealistically high expectations.
>>>
>>> But in the case of the never-Trumpers, I would never make this
>>> criticism. Here we are dealing mostly with GOP shills who four years ago
>>> were drooling on cue over Mitt Romney and who four years earlier were
>>> gilding the lily for John McCain. What exactly were the high “conservative”
>>> principles that these candidates of the never-Trumpers articulated that
>>> Trump has failed to express? Indeed Trump has raised social issues that
>>> Romney and McCain, who were hailed as “conservatives” refused to even touch
>>> on the campaign trail. Unlike them, he has promised to appoint
>>> “conservatives” to federal judgeships and to protect the religious liberty
>>> of devout Christians, who have been beaten from pillar to post by Obama and
>>> who are not likely to be treated any better under a Clinton presidency.
>>>
>>> Although one may be justified in questioning the genuineness of Trump’s
>>> commitment to certain conservative principles (and right now I am troubled
>>> by his support of a six-week maternity leave proposal that would inflict
>>> unfair costs on employers), it is doubtful whether the never-Trumpers are
>>> all inspired idealists. Roughly the people Limbaugh is referring to can be
>>> divided into two types: establishment Republican propagandists and
>>> neoconservative partisans and dependents. The two types often merge (as
>>> with Bret Stephens, Rich Lowry, Bill Kristol and Jonah Goldberg); in other
>>> cases (e.g., Katie Pavlich, Cal Thomas, Bill Murchison, and Eric Erickson),
>>> we’re talking about GOP establishmentarians who became never-Trumpers in
>>> line with their professional duties. I won’t even get on to the topic of
>>> those academic “conservatives” who flaunt their hatred of Trump at
>>> gatherings financed by neoconservative donors. Since at least some of these
>>> “conservative” scholars also significantly hold positions financed by
>>> neocon patrons, we may conclude that they’re only doing what is expected of
>>> them.
>>>
>>> Among the never-Trumpers whom Limbaugh does not get around to are such
>>> unappetizing defectors to the Left as Max Boot, Robert Kagan and Jamie
>>> Kirchik.  These publicists were not content to show their true colors and
>>> in the case of Kagan, his well-established ties, through his wife Victoria
>>> Nuland, to the Obama-Clinton administration. These defectors have befouled
>>> the political landscape with their reckless denunciations of Trump as a
>>> “fascist.” I won’t bother to place former secretary of state Colin Powell
>>> in the category of recent defectors. Although a nominal Republican, Powell
>>> enthusiastically backed Obama in two presidential races and was denouncing
>>> the Milquetoast party of McCain and Romney as racist before he turned his
>>> fire on Trump.
>>>
>>> I’m also not surprised that Kirchik, a renowned neocon-hitman known for
>>> his vicious attack on Ron Paul as a Nazi sympathizer and raving
>>> anti-Semite
>>> <https://newrepublic.com/article/98811/ron-paul-libertarian-bigotry>,
>>> has now gone back to his smearing talents. Kirchik has criticized Hillary
>>> Clinton for limiting her denunciation to only one half of her opponent’s
>>> backers. He insists in an interview with the*Daily News *that “it’s not
>>> 50% of Trump supporters who are bigots.” The “basket of deplorables
>>> <http://www.nydailynews.com/opinion/james-kirchick-hillary-basket-deplorables-article-1.2788830>”
>>> whom Hillary denounced last week “is closer to 100%.”  Kirchik may be the
>>> most repulsive of all the grotesques who have moved from the neocon camp
>>> into Hillary’s baggage. Honest disagreement seems entirely foreign to his
>>> nature. A peripatetic nudnik, he manages to get into the news by denouncing
>>> those who think differently from him as an existential danger to his Jewish
>>> gay identity. As in his condemnation of tens of millions of Americans,
>>> including many readers of this website, Kirchik seems to believe that by
>>> depicting anyone he doesn’t like as a “bigot,” he can always earn applause
>>> and make a living. He is a gift to the Hillary campaign that our side
>>> should be delighted to hand over.
>>>
>>> The never-Trumpers undoubtedly believe they’ll survive professionally
>>> even if the Donald pulls it out.  And as much as it disgust me to say so, I
>>> think they may be right. No matter what happens in this race, we’ll see the
>>> same faces on Fox-news and the same hacks writing for the establishment
>>> conservative-Republican press. Perhaps helping to contribute to a Trump
>>> defeat by blackening the candidate and urging others not to vote for him is
>>> a less risky career move than openly defecting to Hillary. Despite my
>>> doubts in this matter, I would like to imagine that the outright defectors
>>> will suffer particularly if Trump wins. But unfortunately they’ll still
>>> find takers for their services; and (alas) Kirchik will still be amply
>>> rewarded for smearing whomever he puts into his “basket of deplorables.”
>>>
>>> http://www.frontpagemag.com/fpm/264203/david-limbaugh-and-ex
>>> tolling-never-trumpers-paul-gottfried
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