[ Those opposing Bush for going into Iraq, I note by the way,, ALSO do not care one fig for ordinary Iraqis... Their solution was to keep ordinary Iraqis under the oppression of Saddam and sons... ]
the Iraqi people had more freedom and the basic needs of life under Saddam than they do under the puppet government set up by G W Bush On Dec 16, 11:23 am, jgg1000a <[email protected]> wrote: > Bush cares about American National interests... An a long-term > stability in the ME is in our national interest... Bad governance > (prior 2001) in the ME while having had providing short-term stability > and order in the ME, was incapable of providing long-term > stability... The post Nasar (1954) secular strong-man governance was/ > is a reactionary and oppressive as the mullahs in Iran... It had to > change.... One way was to remove and make an example of the failing > state of Saddam/Iraq... > > The critical point here is the effect of removing Saddam was and is to > provide an opportunity for ordinary Iraqis to create better governance > for themselves despite the reactionary powers seeking to hold them > down... > > Those opposing Bush for going into Iraq, I note by the way,, ALSO do > not care one fig for ordinary Iraqis... Their solution was to keep > ordinary Iraqis under the oppression of Saddam and sons... > > On Dec 16, 10:51 am, wncs <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Do you really think Bush gives a flying fig for the ordinary Iraqi? > > I'll give you this... he cares about as much for the ordinary Iraqi as > > he does for the ordinary American. > > > On Dec 16, 10:46 am, jgg1000a <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > I am sure you might believe that... The problem here is that no-one > > > but the US under Bush cared enough for the ordinary Iraqi to remove > > > the thugs under Saddam... To do new construction you must tear down > > > the unsafe and deadly building that was there... And yes, the folks > > > who opposed Bush going into Iraq were effectively arguing for keeping > > > Saddam and sons in power so they could oppress millions... > > > > On Dec 16, 3:11 am, Florida Cracker 532 <[email protected]> > > > wrote: > > > > > anti American ? no one said anything against America or the American > > > > people ! > > > > > On Dec 15, 3:47 pm, jgg1000a <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > No, just another PR stunt manufactured to paly to the MSM bias so some > > > > > anti-American group can promote propaganda... And of course you > > > > > devour the bias insisting it is part of "truth"... > > > > > > On Dec 15, 3:22 pm, Florida Cracker 532 <[email protected]> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > a big time insult but still just an insult ! > > > > > > > On Dec 15, 3:20 pm, THE ANNOINTED ONE <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > Answered in the story.... > > > > > > > > An Iraqi official was quoted by the Associated Press as saying > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > the journalist was being interrogated to determine whether anybody > > > > > > > paid him to throw his shoes at President Bush. > > > > > > > > It is simply an insult, and should be covered by freedom of > > > > > > > speech. > > > > > > > > On Dec 15, 8:55 am, wncs <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > If it is not a crime, then why is he in custody? > > > > > > > > > On Dec 15, 9:52 am, Florida Cracker 532 > > > > > > > > <[email protected]> > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > In Iraq that isn't really a crime . that is how they display > > > > > > > > > their > > > > > > > > > ultimate insult to another person > > > > > > > > > > On Dec 15, 9:47 am, wncs <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > While I agree with the Iraqi's disdain for Bush, I don't > > > > > > > > > > agree with > > > > > > > > > > the tactic he used to express it. Assault is assault, and > > > > > > > > > > he needs to > > > > > > > > > > answer for his crime. The good thing is that Bush will > > > > > > > > > > someday answer > > > > > > > > > > for his crimes as well. > > > > > > > > > > > On Dec 15, 9:02 am, Florida Cracker 532 > > > > > > > > > > <[email protected]> > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Iraq rally for Bush shoe attacker > > > > > > > > > > > Thousands of Iraqis have demanded the release of a local > > > > > > > > > > > TV reporter > > > > > > > > > > > who threw his shoes at US President George W Bush at a > > > > > > > > > > > Baghdad news > > > > > > > > > > > conference. > > > > > > > > > > > > Crowds gathered in Baghdad's Sadr City district, calling > > > > > > > > > > > for "hero" > > > > > > > > > > > Muntadar al-Zaidi to be freed from custody. There were > > > > > > > > > > > similar scenes > > > > > > > > > > > in Najaf. > > > > > > > > > > > > Officials at the Iraqi-owned TV station, al-Baghdadiya, > > > > > > > > > > > also called > > > > > > > > > > > for the release of their journalist. > > > > > > > > > > > > Iraqi officials have described the incident as shameful. > > > > > > > > > > > > A statement released by the government said Mr Zaidi's > > > > > > > > > > > actions, which > > > > > > > > > > > also included him shouting insults at President Bush, > > > > > > > > > > > "harmed the > > > > > > > > > > > reputation of Iraqi journalists and Iraqi journalism in > > > > > > > > > > > general". > > > > > > > > > > > > The government has demanded an on-air apology from his > > > > > > > > > > > employer. > > > > > > > > > > > > An Iraqi official was quoted by the Associated Press as > > > > > > > > > > > saying that > > > > > > > > > > > the journalist was being interrogated to determine > > > > > > > > > > > whether anybody > > > > > > > > > > > paid him to throw his shoes at President Bush. > > > > > > > > > > > > He was also being tested for alcohol and drugs, and his > > > > > > > > > > > shoes were > > > > > > > > > > > being held as evidence, said the official, speaking on > > > > > > > > > > > condition of > > > > > > > > > > > anonymity. > > > > > > > > > > > > The Cairo-based al-Baghdadiya TV channel said Mr Zaidi > > > > > > > > > > > should be freed > > > > > > > > > > > because he had been exercising freedom of expression - > > > > > > > > > > > something which > > > > > > > > > > > the Americans had promised to Iraqis on the ousting of > > > > > > > > > > > former Iraqi > > > > > > > > > > > leader Saddam Hussein. > > > > > > > > > > > > "Any measures against Muntadar will be considered the > > > > > > > > > > > acts of a > > > > > > > > > > > dictatorial regime," the firm said in a statement. > > > > > > > > > > > > The programming director for al-Baghdadiya, Muzhir > > > > > > > > > > > al-Khafaji, > > > > > > > > > > > described the journalist as a "proud Arab and an > > > > > > > > > > > open-minded man". > > > > > > > > > > > > He said he was afraid for Mr Zaidi's safety, adding that > > > > > > > > > > > the reporter > > > > > > > > > > > had been arrested by US officials twice before. > > > > > > > > > > > > "We fear that our correspondents in Iraq will be > > > > > > > > > > > arrested. We have 200 > > > > > > > > > > > correspondents there," he added. > > > > > > > > > > > > 'Proud Arab' > > > > > > > > > > > > Mr Zaidi leapt from his chair at Sunday's news conference > > > > > > > > > > > and hurled > > > > > > > > > > > first one shoe and then the other at Mr Bush, who was > > > > > > > > > > > joined at the > > > > > > > > > > > podium by Iraqi Prime Minister Nouri Maliki. > > > > > > > > > > > > The shoes missed as Mr Bush ducked, and Mr Zaidi was > > > > > > > > > > > immediately > > > > > > > > > > > wrestled to the ground by security guards and frogmarched > > > > > > > > > > > from the > > > > > > > > > > > room. > > > > > > > > > > > "This is a farewell kiss, you dog," he yelled in Arabic > > > > > > > > > > > as he threw > > > > > > > > > > > his shoes. "This is from the widows, the orphans and > > > > > > > > > > > those who were > > > > > > > > > > > killed in Iraq." > > > > > > > > > > > > Arabic TV stations have been repeatedly showing footage > > > > > > > > > > > of the > > > > > > > > > > > incident, which was also front-page news in many papers. > > > > > > > > > > > > Correspondents say the journalist's tirade was echoed by > > > > > > > > > > > Arabs across > > > > > > > > > > > the Middle East who are fed up with US policy in the > > > > > > > > > > > region. > > > > > > > > > > > > "He [George Bush] deserves to be hit with 100, not just > > > > > > > > > > > one or two > > > > > > > > > > > shoes. Who wants him to come here?" said a man in Baghdad. > > > > > > > > > > > > But his view was not expressed by everyone. > > > > > > > > > > > > "I think this incident is unnecessary, to be honest. That > > > > > > > > > > > was a press > > > > > > > > > > > conference, not a war. If someone wants to express his > > > > > > > > > > > opinion he > > > > > > > > > > > should do so in the proper manner, not this way," said > > > > > > > > > > > another Baghdad > > > > > > > > > > > resident. > > > > > > > > > > > > Story from BBC > > > > > > > > > > > NEWS:http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/1/hi/world/middle_east/7783608.stm-H... > > > > > > > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. For options & help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. 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