I stand by my statement that to build in that zone is stupid. I do not support stupid.
On Jan 22, 2:40 pm, "liberal mike532 !" <[email protected]> wrote: > there is nothing made by man that will withstand a direct hit by a cat > five hurricane ! having said that after the floods in the 90's bill > Clinton started the SELA project to ensure that floods would not > happen again the SELA project was not just to repair and maintain the > levees it was a whole group of projects designed to stop future > floods . if you are interested you can google it and see the different > projects and how they addressed the flooding issue . when bush gutted > the SELA funds he doomed those people in New Orleans to drown . > you can also get a pretty good picture by reading what the times > picayune published about this issue over the years . i have relatives > whose bodies still have not been found and most likely will never be > found . thanks to bush and his corrupt polices ! > On Jan 22, 3:25 pm, Mark <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > It does not really matter who is right. ANY idiot that thinks a man > > made item can stand up to Mother Natures rage is a fool as well. > > > Any person or governmental agency that builds or issues building > > permits for a zone that exists below both sea and river level is at > > fault as well. > > > The taxpayers who allow their money to help guarantee the rebuilding > > of such a zone is just as wacko as those that do or allow the > > construction of anything but a swamp. > > > On 1/22/09, liberal mike532 ! <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > frank to put it bluntly you are full of shit ! > > > if you had done any research at all you would know that the levees > > > failed because the maintenance on them was not done. and the reason it > > > wasn't done was because bush cut the funding for SELA . and if you had > > > bothered to think or read anything at all about the levees system you > > > wold know that the corps of engineers does the work on the levees not > > > the mayor or the Governor . > > > On Jan 22, 11:52 am, frankg <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > I've done extensive research on this, but I seriously doubt you have. > > > > Unlike you, who thrives on blaming Bush, I'm indifferent. If he's at > > > > fault, I've got no problem pointing that out. But unlike you, I look > > > > at the facts and make informed decisions without any preconceived > > > > ideas on who to blame and no incentive to falsely assign blame for > > > > political gain. > > > > > You ignore the role that Blanco played in the disaster. > > > > You ignore the role that Nagin played in the disaster. > > > > You ignore the history of the levee system and the role the levee > > > > commission played, via its corruption, negligence and mismanagement. > > > > You ignore what the ACoE and NOAA said concerning the design of the > > > > levees and its basic inability to resist a storm the size of Katrina. > > > > > The only thing you pay attention to are the Bush cuts - cuts I would > > > > consider shortsighted and ill-advised - but which, by all 'expert and > > > > official' accounts - played little to no role in the disaster. You've > > > > never posted anything that supports your argument other than your own > > > > opinion. The ACoE is responsible for the levees. Can you post anything > > > > from them saying the cuts caused the failure? Do you understand the > > > > history of the levee system and do you understand that if not for > > > > corruption and mismanagement, this would never have been an issue to > > > > debate? Have you read the details of the actual projects affected by > > > > the cuts and do you understand what they were designed to achieve? Do > > > > you understand the impact of the eradication of the wetlands that > > > > created a natural barrier for New Orleans, and what impact that had on > > > > the disaster? I doubt you understand any of this. You just want to > > > > blame Bush.. screw the details. > > > > > Quote: > > > > You might want to talk to General Strock, who is the commander of the > > > > Army Corps of Engineers, because I think he's talked to some reporters > > > > already and talked about some of these issues. I think some people > > > > maybe have tried to make a suggestion or imply that certain funding > > > > would have prevented the flooding from happening, and he has > > > > essentially said there's been nothing to suggest that whatsoever, and > > > > it's been more of a design issue with the levees. > > > > > Quote: > > > > The worst has happened in New Orleans and not everyone is surprised. > > > > For years, specialists have warned that the city, built partly below > > > > sea level and in an area of radically depleted wetlands, was a natural > > > > disaster waiting to happen. And when it did, they said, we would have > > > > no one to blame but ourselves. > > > > ... > > > > But, according to the US Geological Survey, Louisiana has lost 1,900 > > > > square miles of wetland in the past seven decades - an area larger > > > > than the state of Rhode Island. > > > > > The draining of the wetlands to make way for roads, malls, beach > > > > communities, marinas and condominiums has also meant shrinkage of the > > > > shoreline. Louisiana, in fact, loses 25 square miles of coast every > > > > year. > > > > > On Jan 22, 10:33 am, "liberal mike532 !" <[email protected]> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > like it or not the actions of G W Bush when he cut the funds for SELA > > > > > caused the deaths of thousands of Americans ! > > > > > and i would suggest you do some research before you blindly except a > > > > > report written by one of bush's administration . > > > > > On Jan 22, 10:22 am, frankg <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > Mike, > > > > > > > No one ever said it was poor design; it simply was an inadequate > > > > > > design for something other than a fast moving cat 3 storm. The ACoE > > > > > > has said it wasn't designed for that type of storm, and would have > > > > > > failed regardless. There are storm simulations that were done by > > > > > > NOAA > > > > > > prior to Katrina that indicated that under exactly the conditions > > > > > > Katrina presented, New Orleans would flood. All these experts tell > > > > > > us > > > > > > New Orleans would flood, but Mike knows better. Your arrogance is > > > > > > impressive, if nothing else. > > > > > > > Yeah, the center of the storm was to the east of New Orleans. That > > > > > > spared it the worst of the winds, but had little bearing on the > > > > > > storm > > > > > > surge, which was over 28', yet you choose to ignore that fact. I > > > > > > provided you a link to give you a 20 year history of corruption and > > > > > > mismanagement regarding the levees - proof that long before Bush was > > > > > > president the seeds to disaster were being sewn, but you choose to > > > > > > ignore the facts. It's public record that the levee committee > > > > > > routinely channeled funds to casinos and other 'more important' > > > > > > projects, but you choose to ignore the facts. You're not interested > > > > > > in > > > > > > why the levees didn't hold the storm back, nor are you interested in > > > > > > what was done wrong that cost lives, because you have consistently > > > > > > ignored the facts. All you are interested in is your anti-Bush > > > > > > rhetoric, and anything that gets in the way of that is to be > > > > > > ignored. > > > > > > But not to worry; as is always the case, once the politically > > > > > > motivated stop their shouting and the facts are examined, the truth > > > > > > eventually comes out. There are very few remaining who don't > > > > > > understand the history of the levee system, and that the Bush cuts > > > > > > had > > > > > > little to do with Katrina. So keep on blowing your BS if you like, > > > > > > but > > > > > > be advised you are only fooling yourself. > > > > > > > On Jan 22, 2:58 am, "liberal mike532 !" <[email protected]> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > what is certain is that the levees failed for lack of maintenance > > > > > > > . > > > > > > > not poor design ! > > > > > > > the storm did not even hit New Orleans it hit to the east of the > > > > > > > city > > > > > > > and the levees failed after the storm was long gone . because > > > > > > > bush cut > > > > > > > the funds for the SELA project . > > > > > > > On Jan 21, 5:10 pm, frankg <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > I get he cut the funds. What I don't get is how you are > > > > > > > > connecting the > > > > > > > > dot between his cutting funds and the levees failing. Have you > > > > > > > > read > > > > > > > > anything about this? Exactly how many people need to tell you > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > levees would have failed, even if in perfect condition? > > > > > > > > > It's like you blaming me for not funding the shutters on your > > > > > > > > home > > > > > > > > which caused the house to collapse when the tornado hit it. The > > > > > > > > house > > > > > > > > was going to go down either way. The levees were not designed to > > > > > > > > handle that size storm. It's pretty straight forward Mike. > > > > > > > > You're just > > > > > > > > choosing to ignore it for political gain. > > > > > > > > > On Jan 21, 4:38 pm, "liberal mike532 !" > > > > > > > > <[email protected]> > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > what don't you get about bush cutting the funds for the SELA > > > > > > > > > project > > > > > > > > > which caused the levees to fail ? > > > > > > > > > > On Jan 21, 1:29 pm, frankg <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Mike, you just don't get it (or you don't want to). And > > > > > > > > > > apparently, > > > > > > > > > > you also refuse to read. So let me post part of what you > > > > > > > > > > aren't > > > > > > > > > > reading; > > > > > > > > > > > "The National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration's > > > > > > > > > > (NOAA's) > > > > > > > > > > official storm surge model SLOSH (Sea, Lake, and Overland > > > > > > > > > > Surges from > > > > > > > > > > Hurricanes) was developed in the late 1960s, and Leuttich > > > > > > > > > > and several > > > > > > > > > > collaborators have created a more sophisticated model > > > > > > > > > > called ADCIRC > > > > > > > > > > (Advanced Circulation) that has been adopted by the Army > > > > > > > > > > Corps of > > > > > > > > > > Engineers and other groups. Last year, in an exercise > > > > > > > > > > simulating a > > > > > > > > > > direct hit by a slow-moving category 3 hurricane, both > > > > > > > > > > models showed > > ... > > read more »- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. For options & help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
