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What Has Cairo to Do With Jerusalem? We should begin our study by listing in full the similarities between Atenism (as we shall call Akhenaten's religion) and Jewish monotheism. They are: Both believe in one God who is a Creator and sustainer of the universe. That's it. Now if this is all there is to the similarities, one wonders whether critics who allege borrowing are really thinking clearly. Speaking from a strictly rational perspective, coming up with an idea that there is but one God (rather than several or none) who created and sustains the universe is little more than a natural variation upon a theme that we would expect people to hit upon often, even quite independently. This means, of course, that the critics don't need to allege borrowing from Akhenaten at all; at the bottom of the barrel, the appeal to Atenism is just veiled insult added to attempted injury. Nevertheless, we need now to explore the difference between Atenism and Judiasm, in order to make a rational case concerning alleged borrowing. We begin by digging into the soil from which Atenism grew. On Wed, Feb 25, 2009 at 6:31 PM, rigsy03 <rigs...@yahoo.com> wrote: > > Judaism would have never developed without the example of Egypt's era > of monotheisam. > > On Feb 25, 5:53 pm, Mark <markmka...@gmail.com> wrote: >> <Aristotle is pre-Christian.> So is "Judeo", yet part of the western >> formula. >> >> <Crime sheets> Thank you, and no. There is not enough crime here to >> warrant a separate publication. >> >> <What is "typically Ami"?> Ami is German slang for Gringo. Now do not >> go all crazy... it is purely an identifying word for people from your >> country.. Only Gringos/Amis apply negative connotations to the >> word(s).. none was intended. >> >> >> >> On Wed, Feb 25, 2009 at 5:45 PM, rigsy03 <rigs...@yahoo.com> wrote: >> >> > Aristotle is pre-Christian. Aquinas was a flop.//Crime sheets are >> > police reports of crimes.// What is "typically Ami"? >> > On Feb 25, 5:31 pm, Mark <markmka...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> Aristotle is basic for the western philosophy. As to crime sheets, it >> >> is a term I am unfamiliar with and must be typically Ami. >> >> >> On Wed, Feb 25, 2009 at 5:22 PM, rigsy03 <rigs...@yahoo.com> wrote: >> >> >> > We have different opinions. We agree that life is cheap or valuable >> >> > depending on geography, tribes. nation, family, pride. How this plays >> >> > out is the game of luck in the living- 60-90 years. Yes- ethics are >> >> > universal- one must read Aristotle, a pagan. I read the crime sheets, >> >> > Do you? >> >> >> > On Feb 25, 5:05 pm, Mark <markmka...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> >> Your arguement supports, not contradicts mine. There are no juries and >> >> >> no appeals in the Chinese system. >> >> >> >> Ethics and moral codes are NOT universal, if it is necessary to cite >> >> >> examples it is an arguement lost on the ignorant. >> >> >> >> Life does not have the same value everywhere. Bribery is a perfectly >> >> >> acceptable norm in others. Beating a child or wife is fine and even >> >> >> encouraged by many as is taking a thiefs hand. Some countries allow >> >> >> the family of the injured to decide the fate of the criminal. >> >> >> >> These things definitely do not fit in your system. >> >> >> >> On Wed, Feb 25, 2009 at 4:55 PM, rigsy03 <rigs...@yahoo.com> wrote: >> >> >> >> > That's not true. For instance, the Chinese have begun to address >> >> >> > their >> >> >> > "one child" policy after the earthquake and infant formula scandal. >> >> >> > Happily some have been executed. The West is too polite with >> >> >> > criminals >> >> >> > and often their rights exceeds the loss of the victims. Ethics and a >> >> >> > moral code are actually universal for mankind but it is twisted for >> >> >> > political and economic agendas. >> >> >> >> > On Feb 25, 4:40 pm, Mark <markmka...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> >> >> <<<Law courts are preferred to open warfare by the civilized.>>> >> >> >> >> >> Of course they are. >> >> >> >> >> The problem lies with the "Western" insistence that their system of >> >> >> >> law and justice is to be instituted everywhere. Well "everywhere" >> >> >> >> does >> >> >> >> not want or need that interference or that "western" defined moral >> >> >> >> code which is imbedded in those laws. Many in the world ( as in the >> >> >> >> majority) find the "western" system just as repugnant and >> >> >> >> unseviceable >> >> >> >> as the "west" finds theirs. The difference being that they were not >> >> >> >> invading (in any sense, it takes many shapes and forms) your >> >> >> >> country/zone of influence to impose those beliefs... only the "West" >> >> >> >> does that. >> >> >> >> >> On Wed, Feb 25, 2009 at 4:26 PM, rigsy03 <rigs...@yahoo.com> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> > Law courts are preferred to open warfare by the civilized. >> >> >> >> > Frontier >> >> >> >> > justice might get by on a lonely prairie or an urban alley but >> >> >> >> > Justice >> >> >> >> > is truly a noble concept in spite of shysters or those who use >> >> >> >> > their >> >> >> >> > degree in law to attain political power. >> >> >> >> >> > On Feb 25, 3:14 pm, THE ANNOINTED ONE <markmka...@gmail.com> >> >> >> >> > wrote: >> >> >> >> >> Mrs. R, >> >> >> >> >> >> Hey they are learning from the most litigious nation in the >> >> >> >> >> world. The >> >> >> >> >> system does work. >> >> >> >> >> >> On Feb 25, 8:41 am, "Mrs. Rabbit" <mrs.whiterab...@gmail.com> >> >> >> >> >> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> > Where is that Turtle when you need him??? >> >> >> >> >> >> > TURTLE.....what do you think about this??? Is this crap for >> >> >> >> >> > REAL??? >> >> >> >> >> >> > On Feb 25, 9:23 am, "Mrs. Rabbit" <mrs.whiterab...@gmail.com> >> >> >> >> >> > wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> > > OUCH! This article is supporting ripping off the American >> >> >> >> >> > > people and >> >> >> >> >> > > it's a crying shame! It's things such as this causes some >> >> >> >> >> > > concern >> >> >> >> >> > > as to WHY illegals are actually coming to the US. It >> >> >> >> >> > > doesn't appear >> >> >> >> >> > > to be they are sincere in becoming an american citizen and >> >> >> >> >> > > reaping the >> >> >> >> >> > > rewards, but rather to suck the american citizens of any and >> >> >> >> >> > > everything they have. Like an acridid I suppose. >> >> >> >> >> >> > > Very cowardly IMHO. >> >> >> >> >> >> > > On Feb 25, 6:06 am, "lucky.illegal.alien" >> >> >> >> >> >> > > <welcome.all.illeg...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> > > > Folks – here is absolute proof of the value of our book, >> >> >> >> >> > > > The Official >> >> >> >> >> > > > Secret Handbook for Illegal Immigrants. >> >> >> >> >> > > > The illegals in the Arizona case used Chapter 5: “HOW TO >> >> >> >> >> > > > FILE A >> >> >> >> >> > > > DISCRIMINATION SUIT” >> >> >> >> >> > > > Go to: >> >> >> >> >> >> > > >http://americansecretsocietyofillegals.blogspot.com/ >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > to buy the book and read the blog, which has a lot of fun, >> >> >> >> >> > > > free advice >> >> >> >> >> > > > itself for illegals. >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > Raul Sanchez, a lead plaintiff in the case below, bought >> >> >> >> >> > > > our book in >> >> >> >> >> > > > May, 2005 and sent us the following message: >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > “Thank you, thank you, thank you, Dear American Secret >> >> >> >> >> > > > Society of >> >> >> >> >> > > > Illegals. From reading your book, I knew that as soon as >> >> >> >> >> > > > the rancher >> >> >> >> >> > > > captured us, we had an airtight lawsuit. Bravisimo! >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > BOOK EXCERPT: >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > How to File a Discrimination Suit >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > As crazy as it seems, you can sue an American these days >> >> >> >> >> > > > for millions >> >> >> >> >> > > > of dollars -- and win! -- for any number of ridiculous >> >> >> >> >> > > > reasons: simply >> >> >> >> >> > > > because he does not want to associate with you, because he >> >> >> >> >> > > > cannot >> >> >> >> >> > > > understand your English, or because he does not like your >> >> >> >> >> > > > bathing >> >> >> >> >> > > > habits, the way you wear your turban, or, if you can >> >> >> >> >> > > > believe it, the >> >> >> >> >> > > > garlic on your breath. END EXCERPT >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > Rancher cleared in rights case >> >> >> >> >> > > > Arizona jury still awards damages to illegal immigrants >> >> >> >> >> > > > Buzz up! >> >> >> >> >> > > > A federal jury in Tucson ruled Tuesday that an Arizona >> >> >> >> >> > > > rancher did not >> >> >> >> >> > > > violate the civil rights of 16 Mexican nationals he >> >> >> >> >> > > > stopped after they >> >> >> >> >> > > > sneaked illegally into the United States, but awarded >> >> >> >> >> > > > $78,000 in >> >> >> >> >> > > > actual and punitive damages on claims of assault and the >> >> >> >> >> > > > infliction of >> >> >> >> >> > > > emotional distress. >> >> >> >> >> > > > The jury of four men and four women returned the verdict >> >> >> >> >> > > > Tuesday >> >> >> >> >> > > > afternoon in U.S. District Court in Tucson after a day and >> >> >> >> >> > > > a half of >> >> >> >> >> > > > deliberation. The jury, after a nine-day trial, also threw >> >> >> >> >> > > > out charges >> >> >> >> >> > > > of false imprisonment, battery and conspiracy against >> >> >> >> >> > > > Douglas, Ariz., >> >> >> >> >> > > > rancher Roger Barnett. >> >> >> >> >> > > > In a case that generated national outrage over the ability >> >> >> >> >> > > > of >> >> >> >> >> > > > Americans to stop illegal immigrants, most of the award - >> >> >> >> >> > > > about >> >> >> >> >> > > > $60,000 - was for punitive damages. >> >> >> >> >> > > > The illegal immigrants, five women and 11 men, had sought >> >> >> >> >> > > > $32 million >> >> >> >> >> > > > in actual and punitive damages - $2 million each - in a >> >> >> >> >> > > > lawsuit >> >> >> >> >> > > > brought by the Mexican American Legal Defense and >> >> >> >> >> > > > Education Fund >> >> >> >> >> > > > (MALDEF). The allegations were based on a March 7, 2004, >> >> >> >> >> > > > incident in >> >> >> >> >> > > > which Mr. Barnett approached a group of illegal immigrants >> >> >> >> >> > > > while he >> >> >> >> >> > > > patrolled his ranch carrying a gun and accompanied by his >> >> >> >> >> > > > dog. >> >> >> >> >> > > > The ranch has become a major corridor for armed drug and >> >> >> >> >> > > > immigrant >> >> >> >> >> > > > smugglers. >> >> >> >> >> > > > Mr. Barnett's attorney, David T. Hardy of Tucson, >> >> >> >> >> > > > described the >> >> >> >> >> > > > decision as an "80 percent victory," adding that he wished >> >> >> >> >> > > > he and his >> >> >> >> >> > > > client "would have gotten the other 20 percent." But he >> >> >> >> >> > > > said he would >> >> >> >> >> > > > appeal the decision, citing what he called "solid >> >> >> >> >> > > > grounds." He also >> >> >> >> >> > > > said U.S. District Judge John M. Roll, who heard the case, >> >> >> >> >> > > > was >> >> >> >> >> > > > "scrupulously fair" during the trial. >> >> >> >> >> > > > A rancher and successful businessman, Mr. Barnett owns the >> >> >> >> >> > > > Cross Rail >> >> >> >> >> > > > Ranch near Douglas, where he maintains cattle on 22,000 >> >> >> >> >> > > > acres of >> >> >> >> >> > > > private and leased land. Also named in the lawsuit were >> >> >> >> >> > > > Mr. Barnett's >> >> >> >> >> > > > wife, Barbara, and his brother, Donald, although the jury >> >> >> >> >> > > > dismissed >> >> >> >> >> > > > the allegations against them. >> >> >> >> >> > > > Mr. Hardy said his client was "tired" but thought he had >> >> >> >> >> > > > "come off >> >> >> >> >> > > > with a win our way." >> >> >> >> >> > > > The jury awarded $7,500 each in actual damages to two of >> >> >> >> >> > > > the >> >> >> >> >> > > > plaintiffs for the infliction of emotional distress and >> >> >> >> >> > > > $1,400 each to >> >> >> >> >> > > > two others for assault. >> >> >> >> >> > > > The lawsuit charged that the Barnetts "engaged in a >> >> >> >> >> > > > private campaign >> >> >> >> >> > > > and have conspired with each other and others to 'hunt' >> >> >> >> >> > > > and detain >> >> >> >> >> > > > against their will, and at gunpoint, Latino migrants or >> >> >> >> >> > > > presumed >> >> >> >> >> > > > migrants such as plaintiffs." It said Mr. Barnett acted >> >> >> >> >> > > > negligently >> >> >> >> >> > > > and "engaged in a conspiracy to deprive plaintiffs of >> >> >> >> >> > > > their civil >> >> >> >> >> > > > rights." >> >> >> >> >> > > > Mr. Hardy argued that the Barnett ranch was frequently >> >> >> >> >> > > > crossed by >> >> >> >> >> > > > illegal immigrants and drug smugglers and that his client >> >> >> >> >> > > > was >> >> ... >> >> read more »- Hide quoted text - >> >> - Show quoted text - > > > -- Mark M. Kahle, , www.filacoffee.com --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. For options & help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
