On Sat, Mar 21, 2009 at 11:44 AM, Mark <[email protected]> wrote: > > > On Sat, Mar 21, 2009 at 11:02 AM, smrstrauss <[email protected]> wrote: > >> >> Re: Why would you, or any other American, including President Obama be >> opposed to >> releasing the "vaulted" birth certificate? >> >> Two main reasons, (1) if I want something does that mean that I would >> get it? Say I want the Cubs to win the world series. I want, but I do >> not expect. In this case, the government of Hawaii says that it will >> send out only the COLB. So wanting may have no effect. > > > No, Hawaii says it will send only the information that cooincides with the > request. If the afadavit was requested it would include it (or exclude if > one does not exist and note that on the COLB issued) > >> >> >> (2) Why should I want something if the essential facts of what I want >> have already been provided to me? In the COLB it says that Obama was >> born in Hawaii. > > > No. it lists A date and A place that is sworn to by the mother for up to > one year after A birth. > and registers it as any other birth. This is why the afadavit is necessary. > Local papers print whatever GENERIC info is on the registration... not what > is contained i n the afadavit. > > >> That is not a lie, nor is the document forged. And, in >> 1961 it was not possible to register a foreign birth in Hawaii. > > > I have posted the LAW on this thread that says it was indeed. It simply > carried a penalty if it was proven that someone did so. > > >> Some >> have said that there was a loophole for late registrations of birth, >> but we know that Obamas' birth was officially registered four days >> after he was born. > > > We KNOW there was a registration date.... Obama has steadfastly refused to > ask for the release of the afadavit on which the registration is based. > (doctors or mothers) > > >> We also know from Lori that Hawaii insisted on >> proof of birth in Hawaii if a person were born outside of a hospital. > > > Not releasable under HRS 303 unless requested by blood relative. > >> >> >> (3) Therefore, he must have been born in Hawaii. > > > Therefore a blood relative has not requested the afadavit of birth. > >> >> >> (4) Thus I already have proof that he was born in Hawaii and even if I >> wanted more, I would not be sure of getting it, because Hawaii says it >> does not send it out--not even to the people who ask for their own >> birth certificates. > > > Wrong.... for seventy five years after birth registration that is ....by > law....the only person to whom they will release it. > >> >> >> Some other reasons why Obama does not ask for more than the >> COLB. >> > > > >> >> >> (1) The COLB is sufficient to legally prove birth in Hawaii >> > > It is not proof of "natural born" status... it is... as presented.. proof > of REGISTRATION only. > >> >> >> (2) Hawaii sends out only the COLB to people who ask for their birth >> certificates. >> > > Again wrong. They send out ONLY information directly requested to be listed > on the COLB. > >> >> >> (3) So, to get something that the state of Hawaii does not normally >> issue to ordinary people is asking for a special privilege. >> > > No, it is asking that the law be complied with. > >> >> >> (4) For Hawaii to send Obama more than the COLB, when it only sends >> out the COLB normally would be for it to be granting a special >> privilege. >> > > Repititious > >> >> >> (5) Not one prominent in the Republican party is asking to see >> anything. Who then is asking to see something more than the COLB? By >> doing something for them, would I win their votes? >> > > what possible difference does that make ?? > >> >> >> (6) There is no need to disclose anything unless and until a court >> asks for it, and if a court ask for it, Obama then does not have to >> worry about asking for anything special or Hawaii about doing anything >> special. And, if a court asks to see it, a court would be set up to >> verify its authenticity, which would not be the case with a Web >> posting. >> > > Complying openly and honestly with the constitution he swore to uphold is > not a requirement ?? > >> >> >> (7) The people who are asking to see more than the COLB must logically >> believe that Obama's mother lied. >> > > There is no way to prove that one way or the other without the release of > the afadavit of birth. > > > >> He is not likely to do anything to >> make such people happy. (There is no way that the COLB can be wrong in >> the location of birth unless the mother lied because Hawaii did not >> register foreign births in 1961.) >> > > Hawaii did register foreign births in 1961 if an afadavit was sworn. > >> >> >> (8) The people who believe that the COLB is wrong and that Obama was >> born in Kenya must believe that there was a way to get a Kenyan-born >> infant from Kenya to the USA without a US visa, or that somehow over >> the last year a US visa in the State Department files would not have >> been found by now. Is it worthwhile doing something for people who can >> believe that two plus two may equal three? >> > > No afadavit..... no proof either way. > >> >> >> (9) Legally, to show the original birth certificate, if that were >> possible (since Hawaii sends out only the COLB), would open the way to >> the other side to demand other private data, such as college records. >> > > He is president and FOI laws cover this., > >> >> >> (10) Do presidents have the right of privacy to some extent? I should >> fight to protect the rights of other presidents to keep their birth >> records private, other than what they show voluntarily. The "birthers" >> insist in their lawsuits that they have the right to see this. I say >> that they have no right. Let them prove that they have a right, or, if >> they do not, then I will prove that president's have at least some >> rights of privacy. >> > > The constitutiion says I have a right to see the afadavit by requiring that > he be "natural born". > >> >> >> and, to repeat (1) the COLB is legally sufficient to PROVE birth in >> Hawaii. >> > > Registration of birth yes.... birth no. > > >> It is accepted by the State Department and by the branches of >> the military, and there is NO evidence that Obama was born anywhere >> other than in Hawaii. > > > Without the afadavit there is no proof he was born in Hawaii. > >> >> >> >> > > > -- > Mark M. Kahle, , > www.filacoffee.com >
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