I want the Garden of Eden and will refuse Satan's apple from the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil- some think it located in what is now modern Iraq- ironic. And I won't coax an Adam to take a bite. Some women know men are terrible liars. :-)
On Mar 23, 10:19 am, Doc Holliday <dokholli...@bellsouth.net> wrote: > Remember, Ford has already got dibs on it Keith...........;-) Ford has > a better idea; right? > > What about we all go back to Africa and dole out the land all over > again; you know just start from the beginning. > > Peace > Doc > > On Mar 23, 9:27 am, Keith In Tampa <keithinta...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > You know, I have given this a lot of thought, and I have a better > > idea. Why don't we continue the whole, "Manifest Destiny" deal, and just > > take Mexico? We'll get rid of their corrupt politicians, thereby replacing > > them with our own corrupt politicians.....Eventually, we can divide Mexico > > up into a couple or three states. They have some really good beaches, and > > some oil reserves.....We'll keep the minimum wage down there at like $2.85 > > an hour, and gradually bring it up to our own standard; *e.g*.; "Keith In > > Tampa's Ten Year Plan".....This would resolve the border issue, and provide > > some new, really cool domestic vacation spots as well as a cheap labor pool > > that is legal, and Dos Equis and Corona Beer will automatically come down in > > price! > > \ > > > On Sun, Mar 22, 2009 at 11:45 PM, Doc Holliday > > <dokholli...@bellsouth.net>wrote: > > > > Let em have Texas back and we'll throw in the fake cowboy > > > Bush ............TO BOOT..... > > > > Peace, > > > Doc > > > > On Mar 22, 9:41 pm, rigsy03 <rigs...@yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > Thank you. And I hope America will survive Mexico. Goodnight. > > > > > On Mar 22, 9:29 pm, Jim Willis <conservativespringfi...@gmail.com> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > I agree with Rigsy; Nuff said! > > > > > > On Mar 22, 8:48 pm, rigsy03 <rigs...@yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > > > Hamas fired thousands of rockets into Israel. Are you ready to see > > > the > > > > > > same in your country? Sorry- but if the Gazans are voting for Hamas > > > > > > and its blessing by Carter/unsmarted, their death and destruction is > > > > > > their tough luck. > > > > > > > On Mar 22, 8:42 pm, RW <rogerwbo...@yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > Israel's Dirty Secrets in Gaza: It Was Pure Murder > > > > > > > > By Donald Macintyre, The Independent. Posted March 21, 2009. > > > > > > > > Army veterans reveal how they gunned down innocent Palestinian > > > > > > > families and destroyed homes and farms. > > > > > > > > Israel onfronted a major challenge on Thursday night over the > > > conduct > > > > > > > of its 22-day military offensive in Gaza after testimonies by its > > > own > > > > > > > soldiers revealed that troops were allowed and, in some cases, > > > > > > > even > > > > > > > ordered to shoot unarmed Palestinian civilians. > > > > > > > > The testimonies – the first of their kind to emerge from inside > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > military – are at marked variance with official claims that the > > > > > > > military made strenuous efforts to avoid civilian casualties and > > > tend > > > > > > > to corroborate Palestinian accusations that troops used > > > indiscriminate > > > > > > > and disproportionate firepower in civilian areas during the > > > operation. > > > > > > > In one of the testimonies shedding harsh new light on what the > > > > > > > soldiers say were the permissive rules of engagement for Operation > > > > > > > Cast Lead, one soldier describes how an officer ordered the > > > shooting > > > > > > > of an elderly woman 100 metres from a house commandeered by > > > > > > > troops. > > > > > > > > Another soldier, describing how a mother and her children were > > > > > > > shot > > > > > > > dead by a sniper after they turned the wrong way out of a house, > > > says > > > > > > > the "atmosphere" among troops was that the lives of Palestinians > > > were > > > > > > > "very, very less important than the lives of our soldiers." > > > > > > > > A squad leader said: "At the beginning the directive was to enter > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > house with an armoured vehicle, to break the door down, to start > > > > > > > shooting inside and – I call it murder – to shoot at everyone we > > > > > > > identify. In the beginning I asked myself how could this make > > > sense? > > > > > > > Higher-ups said it is permissible because everyone left in the > > > > > > > city > > > > > > > [Gaza City] is culpable because they didn't run away." > > > > > > > > The accounts, which also describe apparently indiscriminate > > > > > > > destruction of property, were given at a post-operation discussion > > > by > > > > > > > graduates of the Yitzhak Rabin pre-military course at the Oranim > > > > > > > Academic College in northern Israel. The transcript of the session > > > in > > > > > > > front of the head of the course – details from which were > > > > > > > published > > > by > > > > > > > the newspaper Haaretz – prompted the Israel Defence Forces (IDF) > > > > > > > military advocate general Avichai Mendelblit yesterday to announce > > > a > > > > > > > military police investigation into the claims. Haaretz said the > > > airing > > > > > > > of the "dirty secrets" would make it more difficult for Israelis > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > dismiss the claims as Palestinian propaganda. The course > > > > > > > principal, > > > > > > > Danny Zamir, told the newspaper that after being "shocked" by the > > > > > > > testimonies on 13 February he told the IDF chief of staff Gabi > > > > > > > Ashkenazi he "feared a serious moral failure" in the IDF. > > > > > > > > In one account, an infantry squad leader describes how troops > > > released > > > > > > > a family who had been held in a room of their house for several > > > days. > > > > > > > He said: "The platoon commander let the family go and told them to > > > go > > > > > > > to the right. One mother and her two children didn't understand > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > went to the left, but they forgot to tell the sharpshooter on the > > > roof > > > > > > > they had let them go and it was okay... The sharpshooter saw a > > > woman > > > > > > > and children approaching him. He shot them straight away. I don't > > > > > > > think he felt too bad about it, because, as far as he was > > > concerned, > > > > > > > he did his job according to the orders he was given. And the > > > > > > > atmosphere in general, from what I understood from most of my men > > > who > > > > > > > I talked to, the lives of Palestinians, let's say, is something > > > very, > > > > > > > very less important than the lives of our soldiers." > > > > > > > > A second squad leader, who described the killing of the elderly > > > woman, > > > > > > > says he argued with his commander over loose rules of engagement > > > that > > > > > > > allowed the clearing out of houses by shooting without warning > > > > > > > residents beforehand. After the orders were changed, soldiers had > > > > > > > complained that "we should kill everyone there [in the centre of > > > > > > > Gaza]. Everyone there is a terrorist." The squad leader said: "To > > > > > > > write 'death to the Arabs' on walls, to take family pictures and > > > spit > > > > > > > on them, just because you can. I think this is the main thing: To > > > > > > > understand how much the IDF has fallen in the realm of ethics." > > > > > > > > Ehud Barak, Israel's Defence Minister, said: "I say to you that > > > from > > > > > > > the chief of staff down to the last soldier, the most moral army > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > the world stands ready to take orders from the government of > > > Israel. I > > > > > > > have no doubt that every incident will be individually examined." > > > > > > > > But Israeli human rights organisations, including B'Tselem and the > > > > > > > Association for Civil Rights in Israel, called for an independent > > > > > > > investigation and complained that the military police inquiry had > > > only > > > > > > > been announced after Haaretz published the story, "three weeks > > > after > > > > > > > the relevant materials reached the Chief of the General Staff. > > > > > > > This > > > > > > > tardiness follows a pattern of failures to investigate suspicions > > > of > > > > > > > serious crimes". > > > > > > > > Amos Harel, the paper's respected military correspondent who broke > > > the > > > > > > > story, wrote that Mr Zamir was sentenced in 1990 for refusing to > > > guard > > > > > > > a settlers' ceremony at Joseph's tomb in the West Bank. But he > > > added > > > > > > > that a reading of the transcript shows that Mr Zamir "acts out of > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > deep concern for the spirit of the IDF". > > > > > > > > In their own words: Soldiers' stories > > > > > > > > Squad leader Aviv > > > > > > > > "At the beginning the directive was to enter a house with an > > > armoured > > > > > > > vehicle, to break the door down, to start shooting inside and to > > > > > > > ascend floor by floor and – I call it murder – to go from floor to > > > > > > > floor and to shoot at everyone we identify. In the beginning I > > > asked > > > > > > > myself how could this make sense? Higher-ups said it is > > > > > > > permissible > > > > > > > because everyone left in the city [Gaza City] is culpable because > > > they > > > > > > > didn't run away. This frightened me a bit. I tried to influence it > > > as > > > > > > > much as possible, despite my low rank, to change it. In the end > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > directive was to go into a house, switch on loudspeakers and tell > > > them > > > > > > > 'you have five minutes to run away and whoever doesn't will be > > > > > > > killed'." > > > > > > > > Soldier Ram > > > > > > > > "There was an order to free the [confined] families. The platoon > > > > > > > commander set free the family and told them to turn right. A > > > > > > > mother > > > > > > > and two children didn't understand and turned left. [Officers] had > > > > > > > forgotten to tell the sniper on the roof that they were being set > > > free > > > > > > > and that everything was okay and he should hold fire. You can say > > > that > > > > > > > he acted as he was supposed to, in accordance with the orders. The > > > > > > > sniper saw a woman and children approaching him, past lines that > > > > > > > no > > > > > > > one was to be allowed to cross. He fired directly at them. 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