Self sufficiency in America is an illusion. What happens when the
funds dry up or become worthless? Most Americans don't know shit about
dirt.

Peace,
Doc

On Mar 28, 2:56 am, rigsy03 <rigs...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> A family of four gets $606. a month in food stamps in my state- maybe
> for caviar, truffles, lobster and porterhouse steaks? We have
> attracted waves of those seeking generous welfare programs.
> Interesting for a state that originally attracted Scandinavian,
> German, Irish, Scotch and the religious Catholics, Protestants and
> Jews. All that hard work means nothing anymore to those that learn to
> sponge off the System. Even going to prison means 3 meals a day and a
> roof for some.// Self-sufficiency is a moveable feast.
>
> On Mar 27, 10:00 pm, Doc Holliday <dokholli...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>
> > I was speaking of the Chinese. They're going back to their farms,
> > probably richer and still self sufficient.
>
> > Peace,
> > Doc
>
> > On Mar 27, 6:42 pm, rigsy03 <rigs...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > No. We have been sliced away from our agrarian past and can only hope
> > > to be frugal with dashes of Scotch blood. The Chinese who flooded
> > > factory towns will find their way back to their villages. We don't
> > > have many villages/family farms in America to retreat to. And- there
> > > is nothing easy or cheap about a private garden. I will simply eat
> > > less and grow thinner and willowy- it is said to be the best route to
> > > a very long life.
>
> > > On Mar 27, 6:26 pm, Doc Holliday <dokholli...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>
> > > > Oh yes, but the ones who are out of work for the most part still have
> > > > land and know how to be self sufficient via farming etc; do we?
>
> > > > Peace,
> > > > Doc
>
> > > > On Mar 27, 6:22 pm, rigsy03 <rigs...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > Yes, they can- but they have their own problems as well.
>
> > > > > On Mar 27, 6:09 pm, Doc Holliday <dokholli...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>
> > > > > > Truck loads. Not like us, they can afford it.
>
> > > > > > Peace,
> > > > > > Doc
>
> > > > > > On Mar 27, 6:03 pm, rigsy03 <rigs...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > And I heard the Chinese are buying up American real estate.
>
> > > > > > > On Mar 27, 6:01 pm, Doc Holliday <dokholli...@bellsouth.net> 
> > > > > > > wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > I read somewhere where American Realtors are already going 
> > > > > > > > overseas to
> > > > > > > > do business.
>
> > > > > > > >http://www.realestatewindfall.com/2009/02/12/why-are-the-chinese-buyi...
>
> > > > > > > > Peace,
> > > > > > > > Doc
>
> > > > > > > > On Mar 27, 5:03 pm, Keith In Tampa <keithinta...@gmail.com> 
> > > > > > > > wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > Greetings Members!
>
> > > > > > > > > I have been giving this some thought, and have some ideas for 
> > > > > > > > > submitting
> > > > > > > > > this idea, (once I get the premise of this agenda perfected 
> > > > > > > > > and ironed out,
> > > > > > > > > researched and in a proper format) to the National Republican 
> > > > > > > > > Committee, as
> > > > > > > > > well as the Cato Institute, and (possibly) the Council on 
> > > > > > > > > Foreign
> > > > > > > > > Relations, and several other think tanks.
>
> > > > > > > > > I would really like to hear input, "yea's"; "nay's"; "This 
> > > > > > > > > stinks"; "Horse
> > > > > > > > > Hockey"; or even "Sounds Pretty Good" from anyone and 
> > > > > > > > > everyone. The more
> > > > > > > > > bullets that folks can shoot at this, the better I might be 
> > > > > > > > > able to perfect
> > > > > > > > > what it is that I am proposing.
>
> > > > > > > > > Thanks to Marty Carbone and to Mr. Joe Fritz, Esq., (Tampa 
> > > > > > > > > Florida) for
> > > > > > > > > planting the seed of this idea with me, and if you haven't 
> > > > > > > > > been to Marty's
> > > > > > > > > web site, it is an interesting read, whether you agree with 
> > > > > > > > > all of his
> > > > > > > > > premises.....Or not!!
>
> > > > > > > > >http://www.alphabeticalist.com/
>
> > > > > > > > > =============
>
> > > > > > > > > As I understand it, there are approximately five million 
> > > > > > > > > immigrants that are
> > > > > > > > > allowed to immigrate into the United States annually. (I have 
> > > > > > > > > not checked
> > > > > > > > > the statute on this, but I have been told this is correct). I 
> > > > > > > > > am personally
> > > > > > > > > aware, that sometimes, the waiting list to immigrate into the 
> > > > > > > > > United
> > > > > > > > > States, by (United States Customs/Department of Homeland 
> > > > > > > > > Security) is at
> > > > > > > > > least three years, and sometimes as long as ten years.
>
> > > > > > > > > Currently, the Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation, 
> > > > > > > > > ("FDIC") has mandated
> > > > > > > > > that any and all of the housing foreclosures must be written 
> > > > > > > > > off of any
> > > > > > > > > financial institutions' books, as of NOW. This is currently 
> > > > > > > > > the crux of
> > > > > > > > > our banking institution's problem; *e.g*.; the "toxic 
> > > > > > > > > assets". In a
> > > > > > > > > nutshell, these toxic assets are total losses to both the 
> > > > > > > > > bank that
> > > > > > > > > guaranteed the loan, and companies that underwrote the loan, 
> > > > > > > > > like A.I.G.
>
> > > > > > > > > I propose that the Congress (and the Executive Branch 
> > > > > > > > > Agencies) mandate, (in
> > > > > > > > > Administrative Code versus statute; *e.g*.; Code of Federal 
> > > > > > > > > Regulations
> > > > > > > > > versus United States Code); that a certain percentage of new 
> > > > > > > > > immigrants who
> > > > > > > > > are applying for immigration visas into the United States, 
> > > > > > > > > get moved up to
> > > > > > > > > the "head of the line" of the "immigration waiting list", and 
> > > > > > > > > be allowed to
> > > > > > > > > immigrate into the United States immediately, if they agree 
> > > > > > > > > to purchase
> > > > > > > > > outright, with cash money, one of these "toxic assets"; at 
> > > > > > > > > the real value of
> > > > > > > > > the home. When I say "real value", I am talking about what 
> > > > > > > > > the property's
> > > > > > > > > actual pay-off is, versus what the property might now be 
> > > > > > > > > appraised at.
>
> > > > > > > > > This would do a number of things, to instantly correct the 
> > > > > > > > > financial
> > > > > > > > > imbalances in our Nation, and the "recession/depression".
>
> > > > > > > > > First, let's look at the numbers. Assuming that there are 
> > > > > > > > > 5,000,000
> > > > > > > > > immigrants applying to come into the United States annually, 
> > > > > > > > > if we took just
> > > > > > > > > 10 percent of those five million, to "bump" them up in line, 
> > > > > > > > > providing that
> > > > > > > > > they had the wherewithall to purchase one of these homes, 
> > > > > > > > > (and believe me,
> > > > > > > > > there are literally millions of folks clamoring to get into 
> > > > > > > > > the United
> > > > > > > > > States that have the ability to do this!!) then that would be 
> > > > > > > > > 50 thousand
> > > > > > > > > individuals. Assuming that these 50 thousand individuals were 
> > > > > > > > > to purchase
> > > > > > > > > a home for two hundred thousand dollars, that is one hundred 
> > > > > > > > > billion dollars
> > > > > > > > > pumped into our economy IMMEDIATELY!!
>
> > > > > > > > > More importantly, what would happen, is that these toxic 
> > > > > > > > > assets, which have
> > > > > > > > > been written off, and are on the books as a loss, now become 
> > > > > > > > > a valid,
> > > > > > > > > legitimate asset. This frees up the credit crunch, literally 
> > > > > > > > > overnight!
> > > > > > > > > Besides the fact that it pumps into the American economy over 
> > > > > > > > > 100 billion
> > > > > > > > > dollars annually, (and probably considerably more than that, 
> > > > > > > > > because the 200
> > > > > > > > > thousand dollar amount is a lowball figure) these assets can 
> > > > > > > > > now be
> > > > > > > > > utilized by banks as assets to collateralize and to make 
> > > > > > > > > loans upon.....
>
> > > > > > > > > What am I missing here?
>
> > > > > > > > > Thoughts, ideas, suggestions?
>
> > > > > > > > > I really do think the Republican Party needs to run with this 
> > > > > > > > > idea. The
> > > > > > > > > only downfall I see, is that those on the far left; e.g.; 
> > > > > > > > > those that are,
> > > > > > > > > "More tolerant, kinder, gentler, and more enlightened", (in 
> > > > > > > > > other words, Far
> > > > > > > > > left extremists!!) could possibly be opposed, because we are 
> > > > > > > > > going to bump
> > > > > > > > > up in line, immigrants who have expendable income, versus the 
> > > > > > > > > poor,
> > > > > > > > > downtrodden, and dependent types, that the Democrat Party 
> > > > > > > > > wants to allow to
> > > > > > > > > immigrate, who would immediately be clamoring for government 
> > > > > > > > > handouts.
>
> > > > > > > > > Again, I sincerely welcome input here!!
>
> > > > > > > > > Thanks,
>
> > > > > > > > > Keith
>
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