1950-1975 was the greatest growth in prosperity for the greatest number of people the world has known, all with vastly higher tax rates and much stronger unionism....the big boogeyman of the New Deal was prior to that and primarily a reaction to the oligarchs that created the boom and bust economies of the 1800s and up until 1929. America was a much different place with vast opportunity and at times massive poverty and abusive labor policies as the country expanded west. Conservatism and progressive causes moved hand in hand to make America great, not just the oligarchs of the upper class. So yes, I have the nerve and am willing to discuss any historical reference you view as revisionist.
On Apr 14, 10:54 pm, dick thompson <[email protected]> wrote: > After 40 years of the Great Society and 70+ years of the New Deal you > have the nerve to talk about what has been going on? When the Great > Society started there were black families that stuck together and made > it. With the Republican support the civil rights bill passed despite > the Democrats voting in far lower percentages for it. Now we have a > total rewriting of History by the left and it is still going on. Will > Not Work!! At some point the American people are going to wake up to > what the left has done to us and it looks as if this just might be the > starting point. > > Biff wrote: > > It is sad Keith, after 16 years of listening to this BS, and the oh so > > real tax of exploding health care costs, dwindling education > > opportunities, energy cost ripoffs, two unfinished wars, > > constitutional abuse, a collapsed economy, zero economic vision, and a > > war on the US middle class...the majority of Americans are sick of it > > and voted to change it. Wrap yourself in the flag with your silly faux > > patriotism and pretend the demagogues on the Republican "make crap up" > > TV channel really have America's best interests at heart....it's been > > obvious for years they don't. The play acting tomorrow for the > > perennially duped will not make any difference. > > > On Apr 14, 10:10 pm, Keith In Tampa <[email protected]> wrote: > > >> Dick, > > >> It is just plain sad, that any American could have this kind of misguided, > >> misinformed perspective. Don't lose any sleep over it. The far left > >> extremist radical's days are numbered. They realize that their hoodwinking > >> of the American public is failing, and they are lashing out. > > >> On Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 11:07 PM, dick thompson > >> <[email protected]>wrote: > > >>> Keep telling yourself that it is sponsored by the billionaires because > >>> that > >>> is what the Democrats and "progressives" would do. That does not make it > >>> so. > > >>> Biff wrote: > > >>> Let's Play Pretend and Rally for the Rich! > > >>> You want people to participate in event that people pretend was > >>> spontaneous but is really sponsored by the same people we just threw > >>> out of office for driving our economy into the ground (and with no > >>> more answers than they have had for 8 years), and I get to pretend I > >>> am a super American invoking our national heritage but whose actions > >>> are in direct conflict of the writings of Jefferson, Franklin, > >>> Washington and Adams, and I get to pretend I am somehow a downtrodden > >>> victim when in actuality I am pimping for the same corporate interests > >>> who think third world economic demographics are OK for the US, and all > >>> this started "spontaneously" from a temper tantrum by a spoiled > >>> millionaire who had access to the airwaves....oh sure, count me > >>> in..... > > >>> On Apr 14, 8:46 pm, Jim Willis <[email protected]> > >>> <[email protected]> > >>> wrote: > > >>> Have you ever wondered what happened to the 56 men who signed the > >>> Declaration of Independence? …Five signers were captured by the > >>> British as traitors and tortured before they died. Twelve had their > >>> homes ransacked and burned. Two lost their sons serving in the > >>> Revolutionary Army, another had two sons captured. Nine of the 56 > >>> fought and died from wounds or hardships of the Revolutionary War. > >>> They signed and they pledged their lives, their fortunes, and their > >>> sacred honor. What kind of men were they? Twenty-four were lawyers and > >>> jurists. Eleven were merchants, nine were farmers and large plantation > >>> owners; men of means, well educated. But they signed the Declaration > >>> of Independence knowing full well that the penalty would be death if > >>> they were captured. Carter Braxton of Virginia, a wealthy planter and > >>> trader, saw his ships swept from the seas by the British Navy. He sold > >>> his home and properties to pay his debts, and died in rags. Thomas > >>> McKeam was so hounded by the British that he was forced to move his > >>> family almost constantly. He served in the Congress without pay, and > >>> his family was kept in hiding. His possessions were taken from him, > >>> and poverty was his reward. Vandals or soldiers looted the properties > >>> of Dillery, Hall, Clymer, Walton, Gwinnett, Heyward, Rutledge, and > >>> Middleton. At the battle of Yorktown, Thomas Nelson, Jr., noted that > >>> the British General Cornwallis had taken over the Nelson home for his > >>> headquarters. He quietly urged General George Washington to open fire. > >>> The home was destroyed, and Nelson died bankrupt. Francis Lewis had > >>> his home and properties destroyed. The enemy jailed his wife, and she > >>> died within a few months. John Hart was driven from his wife's bedside > >>> as she was dying. Their 13 children fled for their lives. His fields > >>> and his gristmill were laid to waste. For more than a year, he lived > >>> in forests and caves, returning home to find his wife dead and his > >>> children vanished. A few weeks later, he died from exhaustion and a > >>> broken heart. Norris and Livingston suffered similar fates. Such were > >>> the stories and sacrifices of the American Revolution. These were not > >>> wild-eyed, rabble-rousing ruffians. They were soft-spoken men of means > >>> and education. They had security, but they valued liberty more. > >>> Standing tall, straight, and unwavering, they pledged: "For the > >>> support of this declaration, with firm reliance on the protection of > >>> the divine providence, we mutually pledge to each other, our lives, > >>> our fortunes, and our sacred honor." They gave you and me a free and > >>> independent America. The history books never told you a lot about what > >>> happened in the Revolutionary War. We didn't fight just the British. > >>> We were British subjects at that time and we fought our own > >>> government! You might be asking of yourself just what you have > >>> sacrificed for freedom? > > >>> Eleven score and thirteen years ago America was founded on the > >>> principals of rugged individualism and inherent freedoms. America > >>> began as an idea, an experiment in self determination wherein > >>> government derived its limited authority from the people and served at > >>> their behest. This young republic assumed upon itself the mantle of > >>> the last, best hope for the world. Sadly, at this time and place we > >>> mourn her passing. Historians will long debate the passing of the > >>> greatest country on earth but few will regale, with wit, the > >>> Socialistic virus responsible for her demise. America was first > >>> diagnosed with Socialism in the 1960’s and suffered many injustices, > >>> trials and relapses throughout the next two decades. In the 80’s > >>> America fought back against this usually fatal disease with the help > >>> and guidance of “Ronaldus Magnus”, better known as Ronald Reagan. > >>> President Reagan attacked Socialism with a fervor not seen by the > >>> American electorate since the founding of its great republic. Reagan > >>> believed in America and America believed in him. During the 80’s > >>> Socialism in America was in remission, and on the run. For a time, far > >>> too short, America made sense again and thrived. After Reagan America > >>> was never the same. Socialism gradually seeped back in the American > >>> lexicon and the virulent strain again masticated democracy throughout > >>> the states and across the fruited plain. Finally, in 2009, America > >>> heaved her last gasp and departed this world, taking with her the > >>> hopes and dreams held dear by her masses. She will be remembered for > >>> what could have been; Life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. > >>> Sadly; this postscript is much more than flowery prose and > >>> postulation. This could happen. Ask yourself… what have you done to > >>> preserve freedom? > > >>> “A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can > >>> only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves > >>> money from the Public Treasury. From that moment on, the majority > >>> always votes for the candidate promising the most benefits from the > >>> Public Treasury, “Think Barry’s BBQ ribs in every pot and home > >>> ownership for deadbeats”. “The result that a democracy always > >>> collapses over loose fiscal policy is always followed by dictatorship. > >>> The average age of the world's greatest civilizations has been two- > >>> hundred years. These nations have progressed through this sequence: > >>> From bondage to spiritual faith; from spiritual faith to great > >>> courage; from courage to abundance; from abundance to complacency; > >>> from complacency to apathy; from apathy to dependence; from dependence > >>> back again into bondage.” > > >>> —Alexander Fraser Tyler, 1700 Quotation found in SYNERGY Server [Note: > >>> The Professor wrote about the fall of the Athenian republic over a > >>> thousand years ago, this when America was a British colony.] > > >>> Authors Note ** We are not abiding a Democracy; Our government is a > >>> representative republic gone mad. > > >>> I begin this most prescient posit quoting Professor Tyler primarily > >>> for his profound ability to stand askance as to the execution of > >>> government when the enumerated powers loaned to the federal government > >>> are ignored and/or adulterated. Thomas Paine, “the Rush Limbaugh of > >>> his time” said, “Society in every state is a blessing, but government, > >>> even in its best stage, is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an > >>> intolerable one”. This is the state of governance we are compelled to > >>> tolerate and endure. > > >>> “[T]he government of the United States is a definite government, > >>> confined to specified objects. It is not like the state governments, > >>> whose powers are more general. Charity is no part of the > > ... > > read more » --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. For options & help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
