It's still income. I do my own taxes- in pen and ink- since I have had to correct CPAs in the past. :-)
On Jul 22, 10:03�pm, Hollywood <[email protected]> wrote: > Rigs, > > That would most likley be capital gains tax and NOT income tax. In > fact if one has a good CPA quite possibly NO taxable income at all > from some investments. > > On Jul 22, 9:50�pm, rigsy03 <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Income from investments. > > > On Jul 22, 9:45 pm, Hollywood <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > rigs, > > > > How can she be paying income taxes if she does not have a job and > > > therefore a taxable income? > > > > On Jul 22, 8:23 pm, rigsy03 <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > She is most likely volunteering, donating food and clothing, paying > > > > taxes to support welfare programs and public education and safety, > > > > raising children that do not become criminals and wind up in prison ($$ > > > > $), paying her bills, etc. And she also contributes her children to > > > > the military and public service programs and doesn't expect the > > > > government to take care of her and her brood from cradle to grave. > > > > > On Jul 22, 8:08 pm, Mark <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > And just what does the "housewife" put (in real money) into the > > > > > nations > > > > > pocketbook ?? nothing...the same amount as the welfare mom. > > > > > > they both "take" just from different sources. > > > > > > On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 7:03 PM, rigsy03 <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > One gives and one takes. > > > > > > > On Jul 22, 7:49 pm, Mark <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > I forgot nothing. You must have missed the phrase "contribute > > > > > > > financially > > > > > > to > > > > > > > the nations pocketbook" contained in my post. > > > > > > > > As to a link to female family members I may have the above phrase > > > > > > > still > > > > > > > counts. there is indeed similarity to a "housewife" and a > > > > > > > "welfare mom" > > > > > > as > > > > > > > far as the above phrase is concerned. > > > > > > > > If there is a difference in that narrow definition please be so > > > > > > > kind as > > > > > > to > > > > > > > explain it to me. > > > > > > > > On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 6:20 PM, rigsy03 <[email protected]> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > You are forgetting about men or women who inherit their wealth > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > property and therefore are taxpayers unless you are against > > > > > > > > inheritance, life insurance, wills and trusts, family > > > > > > > > businesses, etc. > > > > > > > > Motherhood/wifedom are not voluntary- they are the roles most > > > > > > > > women > > > > > > > > take on as part of their sexual identity. I realize the role of > > > > > > > > wife > > > > > > > > and mother have been terribly degraded in the years following > > > > > > > > women's > > > > > > > > liberation but I'm sure your mother, wife and daughter will > > > > > > > > understand > > > > > > > > your linking them to women "on the dole". I'll try that phrase > > > > > > > > at the > > > > > > > > next tea party/luncheon and see where it goes. Don't show up if > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > value your hide. > > > > > > > > > On Jul 22, 1:12 pm, Mark <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > YES, but I think Holly's point that the housewife VOLUNTEERS > > > > > > > > > to NOT > > > > > > > > > contribute financially to the nations pocketbook. As a matter > > > > > > > > > of fact > > > > > > she > > > > > > > > > actually COSTS by filing jointly with her taxpaying husband. > > > > > > > > > > Regardless of her intrinsic value in keeping house, raising > > > > > > > > > kids, > > > > > > keeping > > > > > > > > > the wage earning, tax paying man in her life laid and fed > > > > > > > > > .... she > > > > > > > > neither > > > > > > > > > earns or pays and does so voluntarily... the SAME as the > > > > > > > > > welfare > > > > > > > > recieving > > > > > > > > > woman, who may or may not be "on the dole" through some fault > > > > > > > > > of her > > > > > > > > own... > > > > > > > > > trhere are actually people in this position that are not there > > > > > > > > > voluntarily... as opposed to a housewife who is.. > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 10:44 AM, Sage2 <[email protected]> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Holly, > > > > > > > > > > > Contributing financially INCLUDES paying taxes !! > > > > > > > ************************************************************************ > > > > > > > > > > > On Jul 22, 11:28 am, Hollywood <[email protected]> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > perp, > > > > > > > > > > > > Thought we were only talking about contributing > > > > > > > > > > > financially to > > > > > > > > > > > society. > > > > > > > > > > > > On Jul 22, 10:19 am, Perplexed <[email protected]> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > You miss the point entirely. Raising children in a > > > > > > > > > > > > stable > > > > > > > > household > > > > > > > > > > > > that pays taxes positively contributes to society. You > > > > > > > > > > > > seem to > > > > > > > > think > > > > > > > > > > > > it's no different than a welfare sloth who lives their > > > > > > > > > > > > entire > > > > > > life > > > > > > > > > > > > without a job and births multiple illegitimate kids at > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > expense > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > others. I clearly distinguished between the two. > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Jul 20, 11:29 pm, Hollywood > > > > > > > > > > > > <[email protected]> > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Perp, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Why yes, if you are a full time stay-at-home-mom by > > > > > > difinition > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > > would not have a paying job. Isn't that what I said? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Jul 20, 9:01 pm, Perplexed > > > > > > > > > > > > > <[email protected]> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And don't forget the stay-at-home- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mom. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----------- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Millions of "stay at home moms" have multiple kids > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > multiple > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fathers and live in subsidized housing and don't > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have jobs. > > > > > > > > Others > > > > > > > > > > do > > > > > > > > > > > > > > crack all day long. Those "stay at home moms" who > > > > > > > > > > > > > > appear on > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > joint > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tax return where taxes are paid should be able to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vote. The > > > > > > > > others > > > > > > > > > > > > > > who don't contribute to society but rather leech > > > > > > > > > > > > > > off of it > > > > > > > > > > shouldn't. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Jul 20, 12:46 pm, Hollywood < > > > > > > [email protected]> > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Richard, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I understand that. I was simply pointing out some > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > obvious > > > > > > > > > > problems > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So, a college student working part time while > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > going to > > > > > > school > > > > > > > > > > would > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not get a vote? The under-employed? And don't > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > forget the > > > > > > > > > > stay-at-home- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mom. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And the rich have the greatest incentive to vote > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for laws > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > increase their stock dividends at the expense of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > workers. > > > > > > > > > > Endless > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > war? Great idea, I've got lots of stock in the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > defense > > > > > > > > industry > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sector. Won't be my kids doing the fighting & > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dying. > > > > > > Increase > > > > > > > > > > minimum > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wage? Fuck that, will reduce profts of companies > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have > > > > > > stock > > > > > > > > in. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Clean air, clean water, safe working conditions? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Fuck > > > > > > that, > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > increase the cost of doing business. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Core problem here is that EVERYONE is thinking in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > terms > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > short- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > term self interest. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Jul 20, 11:24 am, RichardForbes < > > > > > > > > [email protected] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I was simply tossing out an alternative > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > interpretation. > > > > > > > > But, I > > > > > > > > > > guess > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > if someone is contributing to Social Security, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > they get > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > pass. > > > > > > > > > > If > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > they are below the full time minimum wage > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > level, they > > > > > > > > should > > > > > > > > > > not. My > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > real point was that those who are a net drag on > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > society > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > ones > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > who have the greatest incentive to vote for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > welfare > > > > > > > > programs > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > raise taxes, decrease our competitiveness and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > endanger > > > > > > > > future > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > generations. The questions you asked are just as > > > > > > > > reasonable as > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > one I raised. But, make no mistake about it, our > > > > > > founding > > > > > > > > > > fathers > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > feared that the economic populism resulting > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from pure > > > > > > > > > > democracy, even > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with the checks and balances they put in place, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > would > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > our > > > > > > > > > > biggest > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > risk to long-term success as a nation. We are > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > living > > > > > > their > > > > > > > > > > worst > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fears at the present. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Jul 20, 8:47 am, Hollywood < > > > > > > [email protected] > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Richard, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ok,you have a right to your opinion. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Who gets to define "temporarily"? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Who gets to define what a more appropiate > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ratio would > > > > > > be? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The disabled would get no vote? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > How much in taxes do you think a Pfc. in the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marines > > > > > > > > pays? > > > > > > > > > > Does he > > ... > > read more �- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. 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