So now you say you got a bronze star? If so, for that you have my respect and gratitude. For your apparent obsession with trashing the US at every opportunity now, you do not.
On Aug 5, 1:41 pm, Mark <[email protected]> wrote: > No, it was bronze. > > On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 10:34 AM, Zebnick <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Be comfortable with your technicalities. They're all you have. > > > BTW, Lt Calley and Benedict Arnold were in the service too. So was Tim > > McVeigh. You don't get a gold star for life for that. > > > On Aug 4, 10:34 pm, Mark <[email protected]> wrote: > > > I did NO scrambling. > > > > I am just as much a citizen as you are. Shit, I'm even a veteran, I'm > > happy > > > to see you support ex servicemen by saying they are somehow less > > "American" > > > for having different life experiences. > > > > For you to claim that I am not as "American" as you is welcome.... only > > God > > > can help ignorant people like you. > > > > As far as being "American" so is every person in the western hemisphere. > > > Four different countries are "United States" the only term that fits ONLY > > > you and your kind is Gringo... live with it. > > > > Point out ANY inconsistancies... please. Facts don't change. > > > > On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 7:57 PM, Zebnick <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Your story, committed though you may be to it, remains > > > > unsubstantiated. You present me your story, I present you the law, you > > > > alter your story. You seem to scramble for a place of refuge in your > > > > tales international "nationality." But guess what Mark. I don't give a > > > > flying fuck. Whatever papers or documents you have, however you got > > > > them, doesn't make you an American. NOT one of us. So pay your taxes > > > > and pass through boarders any way you can, but know this. You are not > > > > now and never will be an American. It is far too difficult to be an > > > > American for a self-important wimp like you to handle. Stay in Costa > > > > Rica and disavow the rest of the world. We don't have that luxury. > > > > > On Aug 4, 9:26 pm, Mark <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > I have not posted one item that is not fact. The problem is you have > > a > > > > > tendancy to pull something apart line by line instead of reading the > > > > entire > > > > > post as a whole in order to get the intended message. > > > > > > Further if you find me lacking in communication skills lets > > correspond in > > > > > your second language, or my mother tongue. My ideas and posts would > > then, > > > > I > > > > > assure you, be crystal clear. > > > > > > I gave you "comity" when i said that I have three legal passports.... > > it > > > > is > > > > > you that sparked the discussion through ignorance as to the ins and > > outs > > > > of > > > > > US migration policies and the various levels of diplomacy and > > disbelief > > > > of > > > > > my stated fact. > > > > > > At the end of the day you have been educated on these matters .... > > say > > > > > thank-you > > > > > > On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 4:01 PM, Zebnick <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > >have written two Doctoral theses in my life Iam not inclined to > > write > > > > >one > > > > > > for your benefit. > > > > > > > If you were as smart as you obviously think you are, you'd > > understand > > > > > > that if you were accurate and honest in your posts, long > > explanations > > > > > > would not be necessary. But you prefer condescension to comity and, > > > > > > while it amuses you, others see it as obnoxious. > > > > > > > On Aug 4, 1:46 pm, Mark <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > yes, the very word "many".there are many levels of > > > > > > > diplomats and many (even now) exclusions > > > > > > > > lets take one example only... > > > > > >http://www.phoenix.gov/ECONDEV/consulat.html > > > > > > > > From WIKI http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honorary_Consul > > > > > > > > This doesn't cover all levels but enough so you can see a small > > part > > > > of > > > > > > the > > > > > > > complexities involved. There are many levels and many types. > > After > > > > WWII > > > > > > in > > > > > > > order to accomplish Marshall plan goals MANY consuls from MANY > > > > European > > > > > > > nations were sent to the US to facilitate interactions with many > > > > > > different > > > > > > > industries and many general businesses. My father was the Consul > > to > > > > the > > > > > > > Automotive industry and placed in Toledo, Ohio for obvious > > > > reasons.... > > > > > > > machine tools and home to Willys-Overland/Jeep and only a few > > miles > > > > > > (50-60) > > > > > > > from GM/Chevrolet (100% owner of Opel Germany) and Ford. He did > > not > > > > > > handle > > > > > > > diplomatic matters he handled trade and shipping. Many third > > world > > > > > > nations > > > > > > > have "consuls" that are dedicated to trade missions ONLY and > > while on > > > > > > staff > > > > > > > with an embassy or consulate do not have the insulation from the > > host > > > > > > > nations laws (immunity). > > > > > > > > Consuls of various ranks may have specific legal authority for > > > > certain > > > > > > > activities, such as notarizing documents. As such, diplomatic > > > > personnel > > > > > > with > > > > > > > other responsibilities may receive consular Letters > > > > > > > patent<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Letters_patent > > >(commissions). > > > > > > > Aside from those outlined in the Vienna conventions, there > > > > > > > are few formal requirements outlining what a consular official > > must > > > > do. > > > > > > For > > > > > > > example, for some countries, consular officials may be > > responsible > > > > for > > > > > > the > > > > > > > issuance of visas; other countries may limit "consular services" > > to > > > > > > > providing assistance to compatriots, legalization of documents, > > etc. > > > > > > > Nonetheless, consulates proper will be headed by consuls of > > various > > > > > > ranks, > > > > > > > even if such officials have little or no connection with the more > > > > limited > > > > > > > sense of consular service. > > > > > > > > Contrary to popular belief, although many of the staff of > > consulates > > > > may > > > > > > be > > > > > > > career diplomats they do not generally have diplomatic > > > > > > > immunity<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diplomatic_immunity > > >(unless > > > > they > > > > > > > are also accredited as such). Immunities and privileges for > > > > > > > consuls and accredited staff of consulates – consular > > > > > > > immunity<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Consular_immunity>– are > > > > > > > generally limited to actions undertaken in their official > > capacity > > > > > > > and, with respect to the consulate itself, to those required for > > > > official > > > > > > > duties. In practice, the extension and application of consular > > > > privileges > > > > > > > and immunities can be subject to wide discrepancies from country > > to > > > > > > country. > > > > > > > > Consulates are more numerous than diplomatic missions (e.g. > > > > > > > embassies<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Embassy>), > > > > > > > since the latter are posted only in a foreign nation's capital > > > > > > > (exceptionally even outside the country, in case of a multiple > > > > mandate, > > > > > > e.g. > > > > > > > a minor power may well accredit a single Ambassador with several > > > > > > > neighbouring states of modest relative importance that are not > > > > considered > > > > > > > important allies), while consular ones are also posted in various > > > > cities > > > > > > > throughout the country, especially centres of economic activity, > > or > > > > > > wherever > > > > > > > there is a significant population of its citizens > > > > > > > (expatriates<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Expatriate>) > > > > > > > in residence. > > > > > > > > On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 10:35 AM, Zebnick <[email protected]> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > Is there some reason you can't speak specifically? > > > > > > > > > > "there are many levels of diplomats and many (even now) > > > > > > >exclusions..." > > > > > > > > > Such as? You said your father was a "consul." Are you saying he > > was > > > > > > > > such and did not enjoy diplomatic immunity? > > > > > > > > > On Aug 4, 12:25 pm, Mark <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > I am indeed subject to the laws of the us and germany and cr > > and > > > > do > > > > > > > > indeed > > > > > > > > > file taxes in all three. I also vote in all three. there are > > many > > > > > > levels > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > diplomats and many (even now) exclusions as to what and how > > > > diplomats > > > > > > may > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > may not be charged and held to the level of law. It is NOT as > > cut > > > > and > > > > > > dry > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > you wish it were. > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 10:03 AM, Zebnick <[email protected] > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > LOL! Cherry picking? Have you any intelligent refute other > > than > > > > > > "well, > > > > > > > > > > it used to be different?" You say things were different in > > US > > > > law > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > the fifties. What was different from current law? Did the > > law > > > > NOT > > > > > > > > > > require people born here to be subject to the jurisdiction > > of > > > > US > > > > > > law? > > > > > > > > > > Was there no such thing as diplomatic immunity back then? > > > > > > > > > > > On Aug 4, 11:36 am, Mark <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Like I said "cherry picking" > > > > > > > > > > > > from the post: reflects > > > > > > > > > > > > > the laws passed by Congress as of *Jan. 8, 2008*, > > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 9:30 AM, Zebnick < > > [email protected]> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Current as of" means that it was valid on that date, > > not > > > > > > effective > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > > > of that date. You're grasping at straws. > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Aug 4, 11:21 am, Mark <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > Title 8 of the US Code as currently published by the > > US > > > > > > > > Government > > > > > > > > > > > > reflects > > ... > > read more » --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. For options & help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
